(April 21, 2014 at 10:33 am)Metalogos Wrote: You say that positing a Prime Mover doesn't explain anything but I don't understand why you say that. Positing a unmoved mover does indeed explain exactly how the universe could have come into existence.
No it doesn't. You are just saying that there is a suspect for whoever built the universe.
How was that house built?
"Bill did it"
Does in no way answer the question "how was the house built".
What you've done there is answer the question you wanted to answer rather than the question that was asked.
Quote:Conversely, not having recourse to such a self-contained agent leaves one asking the obvious question, "What caused the singularity to explode at the moment of the Big Bang?" or "Why did the singularity not simply remain a singularity?"
We don't know and neither do you because our current knowledge of the way things work break down at that point.
So you can posit anything at that point but that does not make it any more than a wild guess.
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As for the proximity of the Prime Mover to the event we all now calling the Big Bang, I don't see a problem as long as whatever chain of events or causes one may observe or posit have their eventual origin at the first movement of the Prime Mover. As for answering the question whether the Prime Mover caused the Big Bang, I would have to say yes if one assumes that the explosion of the singularity is the initial origin of the universe.
Could have been caused by a lot of things.
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php...1614548752
Quote: If one posits that the Big Bang is just one in a myriad of such cosmic events, it still is logical to assume that there was an initial, prime event and that the Prime Mover would have been responsible for that event.
As for the possibilities of multiple parallel universes, I certainly don't know if such places exist, but if they do, they too will have had an origin and thus a need for the Prime Mover argument.
So you can move your unproven speculation further and further back as required so you can feel comfortable with your delusion.
Nice.
Quote:Dear Cato, what argument do you offer in place of a Prime Mover scenario? And again, why do you say that it is not necessary to have such an agent for the origin of the universe?
Quote:What caused it all?: Perhaps quantum fluctuations. Perhaps some prior state. However it happened, the laws of physics made it happen.
And we come quickly to why: Why did our universe begin? Why the laws of physics? Sometimes only silence … gets us closer to truth.
http://www.closertotruth.com/blog-entry/...ginning-/5
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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