RE: Non-religious Theism
April 22, 2014 at 11:20 am
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2014 at 11:21 am by Cato.)
(April 22, 2014 at 7:30 am)Metalogos Wrote: Not all agents are equal nor are they all sentient beings but considering that the universe displays wisdom and order in all its manifestations, it is logical to conclude that wisdom and order, as opposed to insensible chaos are natural attributes of the initial agent or Prime Mover.
Without substantiation, these claims are nothing but baseless assertions. How exactly does the universe display wisdom? I can see no wisdom in the fact that every location in the known universe except for a portion of the surface of our dust ball is totally hostile to our existence. If there was wisdom behind creation, as you claim, it sure as hell didn't have us in mind.
Stating that it is okay to ask where we came from does not refute FNM's position that reasoning should be buttressed with empirical evidence. You were simply evading.
You keep saying you're 'open' regarding your argument; however, you have consistently done nothing more than stick your fingers in your ears, slam your eyes shut, and find ways of repeating yourself as many of us have shown what is wrong with your argument. The cosmological argument has never recovered from Hume. You would already know this if your "noble action" was sincere.
Other explanations that you might seek out are m-theory, parallel universes, or black hole cosmology. I don't think any of them have any great merit and consider them unscientific, because they can't be tested. The main reason I find these intriguing and much more satisfying than your 'God did it' explanation is that they're not fucking boring. The other reason is that they are at least plausible, meaning the proposed mechanisms can be conceived based on our observable cosmology. Shit moves; therefore God pales in comparison.
