RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
April 22, 2014 at 11:48 am
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2014 at 12:39 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(April 22, 2014 at 11:32 am)Revelation777 Wrote:(April 21, 2014 at 4:14 pm)Coffee Jesus Wrote: I will do him a favor and mention the Cambrian explosion. Lots of missing links there.
It's obvious that what actually happened is God over-poured his coffee beans and had a sudden burst of design ideas. But how do we explain hybrid zones? Why would God place two different species right next to eachother, and program them to mate with eachother when it would only produce infertile offspring?
Understanding the Cambrian explosion. http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...ion-causes
(April 21, 2014 at 5:35 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Just a moment, dear:
So basically, they're lying to you. I mean, at minimum this would mean they aren't an objective source, but since you're talking evolution what this means is that there is a one hundred percent chance that you'll only get disagreement, whether evolution is viable or not.
Try again, and this time, use the words of scientists and not conmen.
And again:
How about you post sources that aren't outright biased against the truth, where it contradicts with your favorite story book, Rev. I thought you wanted to be honest about this, and yet here you are still presenting the words of liars as if they were truth.
Just because a source has Christian beliefs doesn't mean that the source should be disregarded. I can do the same with atheistic sources.
You speak as if you are so important that what you can do matters. It doesn't. You can be a fool, and you are and have been a fool. You can threaten to be an even greater, more obliviously ignorant, fool than you are now.
Facts will remain what they are, scientific method will reveal what they reveal. They will be what they will be no matter what your bible says, what you think your bible says, and absolutely no one gives or needs to give a shit if, in your idiotic spite, you might chose to be an even bigger bible addled fool than you have already been.
(April 22, 2014 at 11:39 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote: Hasn't changed much? Ancient crocs were GIGANTIC compared to today's crocs! Looking at size alone:
Sarcosuchus (from the middle Cretaceous period ~110 million years ago) was +/- 40 ft long and weighed 10-15 tons
Beinosuchus (~80 million years ago) was 33 feet long and was estimated to weigh ~10 tons and were large enough to prey on tyrannosaurs.
Champsosaurus was a cute little 5-foot-long croc that managed to survive the KT extinction.
Crocodylidae represents the modern form of the crocodile and first shows up around 55 million years ago and while there has been local habitat adaptations, this is the croc that "hasn't changed much" - but that's because its selection pressures haven't changed and it's selection pressures that necessitate natural selection imparting change on creatures.
Here are some resources for you to learn about how much crocodiles have changed over the last 250 million years:
He does have a point. Croc lineage certainly spawned many variations for exploring different niches. But they died out. The surviving crocs lineage is a relatively conservative one amongst the croc family.
What is more, next to other lineages that arose at roughly the same time, like true dinosaurs and mammals, even the whole crocodile family is highly conservative by comparison.
If you don't like croc example, you can use the horseshoe crab. That lineage has been conserved for 450 million years.
The problem with Heywood's description is punctuated equilibrium is probably mostly not punctured by spectacular mutations that allows the mutant to ascend the existing wall of the valley, as Heywood suggests. Rather, it is likely mostly punctuated by a whole sale reshaping the topology - ie the ecological environment that has been stable for a long time, and to which existing species have stably adapted, suddenly changed. The walls of the valley may have come down the the floor the valley may have risen up, as it were, and the changed ecology then drove the long stable species to either adapt or perish. They comfortable valley no longer exists, or suddenly merged with other valleys, or had new tributaries valleys suddenly form.