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Is the Holy Spirit lazy or ineffective?
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RE: Is the Holy Spirit lazy or ineffective?
(April 23, 2014 at 9:28 am)ThePinsir Wrote:
(April 23, 2014 at 7:40 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: I know that raises as many difficult questions than it answers but that's the "stock" answer.

At least you admit that lol. I've had some christians tell me that.

Circular logic at its finest:

You have to pretend something is real before you actually become convinced that its real.

Yep. That's the loop. Cosy on the inside, inexplicable on the outside.

(April 23, 2014 at 8:07 am)RobbyPants Wrote:
(April 23, 2014 at 7:40 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Playing God's advocate, the HS is the "helper", it generally only appears to believers. God doesn't tend to crash into people's lives swat style, you have to ask him. Stands to reason that areas in which people don't ask him (because they have not heard the good news), won't hear him.

I know that raises as many difficult questions than it answers but that's the "stock" answer.

Maybe it's a result of me being raised Lutheran, but I was always taught that the Holy Spirit had to chose you, too. This might be why some people moved away from that.

Of course, it still doesn't answer my "uneven judgment" part about some being raised in Christian nations and others being raised in Muslim nations where apostasy is a capital offense. It's not like YHWH can expect people over there to start seeking him out on their own. They're already afraid of going to Muslim hell and of actual physical death if they deconvert; it's not like YHWH is bringing anything extra to the table for them.

[apologetics]God is just. Everyone is given the opportunity to know him, either in this life of thereafter. God never promised it would be easy. Actually, Christianity thrives most when it is persecuted. People in first world "Christian" nations face other, spiritual challenges, the temptations of the world etc. [/apologetics]

That aside, for me it's the disparity in balls out undeniable miracles which grinds on me. God does all his PR with a desert tribe then spends the next 2000 years playing peekaboo.
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
Sith code
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Messages In This Thread
Is the Holy Spirit lazy or ineffective? - by RobbyPants - April 22, 2014 at 8:40 am
RE: Is the Holy Spirit lazy or ineffective? - by ThePinsir - April 22, 2014 at 10:17 am
RE: Is the Holy Spirit lazy or ineffective? - by Zidneya - April 22, 2014 at 1:34 pm
RE: Is the Holy Spirit lazy or ineffective? - by Jacob(smooth) - April 23, 2014 at 10:19 am
RE: Is the Holy Spirit lazy or ineffective? - by vorlon13 - April 22, 2014 at 1:44 pm
RE: Is the Holy Spirit lazy or ineffective? - by FreeTony - April 22, 2014 at 2:35 pm
RE: Is the Holy Spirit lazy or ineffective? - by Silver - April 23, 2014 at 10:39 am
RE: Is the Holy Spirit lazy or ineffective? - by ThomM - April 24, 2014 at 5:25 pm
RE: Is the Holy Spirit lazy or ineffective? - by ThomM - April 25, 2014 at 9:45 pm

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