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Non-religious Theism
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RE: Non-religious Theism
(April 22, 2014 at 7:30 am)Metalogos Wrote:


You are definitely delving into the world of pure reason. Just because the foundation of your argument, that every action requires a cause(I'll get to that), is based upon empirical observation does not mean that your argument is empirical. We're talking about trying to understand the moment before time itself existed, which is something we can never observe. At best we can use theoretical mathematics to attempt to comprehend the state of reality, but the prime mover argument doesn't even use that. It's just pure thought without observation to back it up.

As far as everything requiring a cause, that is a temporal observation. Everything we see has a cause that preceeded it, but how can something preceed something else when time does not yet exist? You are attempting to apply reasoning where that reasoning is not applicable. For all we know, our understanding of cause and effect may completely break down when time doesn't exist.

By predictive power, I mean that a good hypothesis says that if X is true, we will see Y. We judge a hypothesis by its ability to predict things unknown, and the prime mover gives us none of that.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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Messages In This Thread
Non-religious Theism - by Metalogos - April 20, 2014 at 8:31 am
RE: Non-religious Theism - by Cato - April 20, 2014 at 9:01 am
RE: Non-religious Theism - by Metalogos - April 21, 2014 at 10:33 am
RE: Non-religious Theism - by downbeatplumb - April 21, 2014 at 11:57 am
RE: Non-religious Theism - by Metalogos - April 21, 2014 at 7:48 pm
RE: Non-religious Theism - by Faith No More - April 21, 2014 at 9:17 pm
RE: Non-religious Theism - by Metalogos - April 22, 2014 at 7:30 am
RE: Non-religious Theism - by Cato - April 22, 2014 at 11:20 am
RE: Non-religious Theism - by Metalogos - April 22, 2014 at 11:18 pm
RE: Non-religious Theism - by Whateverist - April 23, 2014 at 12:22 am
RE: Non-religious Theism - by Metalogos - April 24, 2014 at 2:23 am
RE: Non-religious Theism - by Whateverist - April 24, 2014 at 3:12 am
RE: Non-religious Theism - by Metalogos - April 24, 2014 at 7:19 am
RE: Non-religious Theism - by Whateverist - April 24, 2014 at 8:13 pm
RE: Non-religious Theism - by Metalogos - April 24, 2014 at 10:05 am
RE: Non-religious Theism - by Faith No More - April 23, 2014 at 3:55 pm
RE: Non-religious Theism - by ThePinsir - April 22, 2014 at 10:14 am
RE: Non-religious Theism - by archangle - April 25, 2014 at 7:23 pm
RE: Non-religious Theism - by MindForgedManacle - April 27, 2014 at 12:31 am

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