RE: Objective vs Subjective Morals
April 24, 2014 at 5:56 pm
(This post was last modified: April 24, 2014 at 6:54 pm by Coffee Jesus.)
(April 24, 2014 at 10:44 am)max-greece Wrote: " That which creates pleasure or relieves pain can be considered "morally right" which actions that destroy pleasure or create pain are "morally wrong". "
And what happens when there is pleasure in the pain? Just take a look at the BDSM threads in Area 69.
What happens when you surgically remove the corpus callosum?
(April 24, 2014 at 5:30 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(April 24, 2014 at 10:44 am)max-greece Wrote: " That which creates pleasure or relieves pain can be considered "morally right" which actions that destroy pleasure or create pain are "morally wrong". "+1
And what happens when there is pleasure in the pain? Just take a look at the BDSM threads in Area 69.
Also, look at drugs.
Jogging creates pain. Is it morally wrong? How about making my kids get off their mobile devices and rejoin the real world? That causes them pain, but it would be immoral NOT to limit their game time, I think.
It doesn't work when you only look at the immediate consequences.
You do it because you think your children will ultimately be happier for it, right? That's ethical hedonism.
Addition prior to MFM's kudos.
(April 22, 2014 at 10:17 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Maths (and logic, but maybe to a lesser degree?) is a construct that only exists in our minds. The most fundamental concepts of e.g. geometry don't exist outside of our minds; you can't find a circle in real life, or parallel lines. It is just accepted that such concepts exist, and from there, we can build upon those assumed truths. I think this is a nice analogy for morality actually, in that it's a construct that doesn't exist in reality."I sure love my new car."
"Cars only exist in your mind."
"We're in a car right now! Are you blind!?"
"All you can ''see'' is the colors in your mind's eye. You can't comprehend what a car really is."
"If we can't really see the car, how did we both know the car was red?"
"A color-blind person wouldn't see the car as red."
"But he would agree that it's a car."
"Yet if I asked you both to define ''car'', I would get two different definitions."
"If this isn't a car, how did we get to the office? Do you think we're just floating around on magic hippy smoke!?"
"Your subjective concept of ''cars'' may be useful, but that doesn't mean the thing in your mind has an objective existence independent of your subjective perceptions."
"Fuck this conversation!"
