RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
April 26, 2014 at 4:40 pm
(This post was last modified: April 26, 2014 at 4:53 pm by Revelation777.)
(April 23, 2014 at 10:54 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:(April 23, 2014 at 10:24 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Again, it almost sounds like "evolution" is like a football coach on the sidelines watching and deciding a different direction for the offense based on how the defense is adjusting. When and why did evolution decide to go from unicellular to multicellular? Does evolution have a will or reason? How does evolution get into "a rut?" Does gravity get into a rut? Evolution has "oomph?" Did it gulp down a 5 millennium energy drink? When did evolution decided to have an explosion of new species?When we say evolution "does" something, Rev, we are speaking colloquially. We mean the processes by which evolution operates in a population. Evolution didn't 'decide' anything. A mutation happened that caused an organism to replicate in an odd way, and then there was a multicellular organism that was better in the environment than the unicellular one. There is actually great evidence that this happened multiple times, and there is actually a fantastic study showing the origin of multicellularity in a common green algae Volvox. So, no, evolution has no reason or will or any kind of consciousness. We tend to anthropomorphize things, and scientists do it with evolution a lot. It is nothing more that colloquial.
(April 23, 2014 at 10:24 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: I am not trying to argue old earth vs. new earth. Most people on this board do not believe in God, I do. I am here to present God, many on here feel I am doing a terrible job at it. So I got some work to do. I feel like I am learning a lot of lessons and things on this board and am humbled to be here. I am very grateful for this opportunity.This is good to hear, Rev. I couldn't care less that you believe in God, that is to say I don't care to try and change it. That's great for you---it works for you---and that's all well and good. Seriously. But you have come on here and seriously misrepresented demonstrable facts. The very least that could come from this is maybe that you approach these issues with an open mind, instead of a made up one. I can think of a thousand things that would prove to me that scientists were wrong about evolution. If the evidence were to come in, I'd jump off the ship as fast as any other person here. It's hard to have an intelligent conversation with someone who is of the opinion that he can't be wrong.
Are you telling me that if God could be proved you would be more than happy to believe in Him? Or, if evidence showed evolution is wrong that you would change your original beliefs?
(April 23, 2014 at 11:00 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Rev, I suggest you leave now before you embarrass yourself further. We have heard and dealt with all these objections before.
As of today I have no plan on leaving. You may want to put me on your ignore list, but I hope you don't.
(April 23, 2014 at 11:00 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:(April 23, 2014 at 10:48 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: "Molecule to Man" evolution can not be true because it goes against what Scripture teaches. That is probably why they take that stance.Do you just not care to respond with something coherent? You literally just parroted back to me what I already stated. Taking that stance you are eschewing all science, Rev. It does not matter what the evidence says, it doesn't matter what you experience, it does not matter what reality dictates, it is wrong if it contradicts the Bible? You really are taking that stance?
What you call evidence might not be considered that at all amongst others who debate this issue. However, your comrades would agree with you wholeheartedly. Ciao.
(April 23, 2014 at 11:07 pm)Godlesspanther Wrote:(April 23, 2014 at 11:00 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: ??? Do you just not care to respond with something coherent? You literally just parroted back to me what I already stated. Taking that stance you are eschewing all science, Rev. It does not matter what the evidence says, it doesn't matter what you experience, it does not matter what reality dictates, it is wrong if it contradicts the Bible? You really are taking that stance?
Yes, creationists really do take that stance. They think that stupid book has magical powers, such that, it is always right no matter what. Even when it is obviously wrong -- it's still magically somehow right.
Completely irrational, illogical, preposterous, and just plain fucking stupid.
(April 23, 2014 at 11:07 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: I wonder what would of happened if you lived in Jesus' day and asked, "Rabbi, did we come from monkeys?"
What do you think would have happened?
I am not sure what He would of said but I bet it would be profound. Please show respect for that book even though you reject it.
(April 23, 2014 at 11:16 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:(April 23, 2014 at 11:09 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Perhaps that is supporting the flood account?
Wow. You read all that and still got flood account, huh? Nevermind the shear superficial nature of that argument. Nevermind if there were a year long worldwide flood catastrophe, you'd expect there to be evidence of it literally everywhere. Nevermind the idea that literally all of these fossils would be in the same strata, having all been buried at the same time. Nevermind the mountains and mountains of contradictory evidence for a worldwide mass extinction and repopulation of the earth 4,000 years ago. Nevermind all this, because you found a sentence that said "burial in sediments from a local river flood." Honestly...
Maybe we get into the worldwide flood account in a future argument?
(April 23, 2014 at 11:24 pm)Beccs Wrote:(April 23, 2014 at 11:17 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Jesus told us to go out to the world and make disciples.
So, then get yourself married and make some disciples.
Have the decency to take "we're not interested" literally and stop trying to convert us. It isn't going to happen with your levels of claims, counterclaims, and pseudo-science.
You are invited to our next Bible study.
