Quote:People die for their convictions every day, whether that conviction be religious or something else.Well, they say that they suffer for their belief in God, something that is beyond everything that is imaginable. What I was trying to tell is what are you ready to die for? Are you ready to die for others, give your life away freely, be a cobblestone in the road to that higher purpose that you profess your conviction in?
Because a person was tortured to death for their religion neither devalues their sacrifice or those who have died for other convictions. Unless, of course, those convictions are in direct conflict with the wellbeing of others.
I personally do not think that liberal humanism presents anyone with a basis for such a conviction.
Quote:Every single shred of "information" about any god that ever has been believed in, here on Earth, has been provided by humans.But humans who have been appointed by God. They are not mere men, they are prophets.
Who they were? Beats me... most likely, someone trying to comfort their loved ones, or trying to keep their own mortality at bay...
What afterlife?
And in the case, that God decided not to use an intermediary, but actually stepped forward and told you that he existed, what then?
Quote:I don't know which god you're talking about, but he/she/it/they never required anything from me.And I understand, but you need to understand that I'm not talking about that. We're speaking of a hypothetical case here.
Every single shred of "information" about that god you talk about has come to you through people. PEOPLE!
Every requirement that you perceive to come from that god has come to you through people. People are not the god.
If that information, that requirement is that important, the medium of "information" transmission should never be the fault-ridden people that we see carrying it.
So now tell me.... who's requiring me to do what? and about what?
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