(April 30, 2014 at 11:38 pm)Shaykh al-Kabir Shair Abdulrab Wrote:(April 24, 2014 at 8:09 pm)Michael Schubert Wrote: Here are some great arguments against God:
-Cosmology. Theists claim that everything is cause-related, so there had to have been something that existed before the universe that created the universe at the beginning of time. Well...we know that causality is time-related, so how can anything exist outside of time? The universe is space-time.
Panendeism
Quote:Creation. Theists claim that everything in the material world is so very complex that it could not have evolved naturally and must therefore have been created by an intelligent mind. Well....if life is so complex that it needs a creator, then God must be very complex to have created life using magic. So therefore God needs a creator. Theists are always claiming that God is eternal and doesn't need a creator. Well....that contradicts theists assertions that EVERYTHING needs a creator. That is a fine example of the Ad Hoc Fallacy, in which you jump in with a new premise after someone finds a contradiction to your argument God cannot be exempted from logical explanation. Also, any creation can only happen at a point in time, so how is it possible for a God to create the universe if time doesn't exist outside of the universe?
Bullshit. Any person with a sane mind knows of the genetic variances amongst animals today and also knows that such genetic information provides data on the biological relationships we all share. Human for example have 97-98% of their DNA in common with apes(not monkeys) today, specifically of the chimpanzee variety which are out distant cousins.
Only an idiotic believes int he complexity of life as the teleological argument is something only liars like William lane Craig would would use.
Also if the universe does not exist because of an infinite cause of events than neither does God. You are making a double standard here as you are asserting that the universe will not suffer an infinite loop although god will for merely being god. If there is no time outside of a universe then there is no infinite loop as whatever exists outside of a space were only time is irrelevant would merely have to exist. Assuming that something entirely free of time cannot create something effected by it makes no sense. You are only providing a possible deity that is infinite in the truest sense
You seem to contradict yourself with fallacies while asserting nothing but fallacies which you think create valid arguments.
Quote:All of this and much more can be found in the outstanding essay, Why Religion is Bullshit.
You should get a new references site kiddo. Jokes do not make good points for a debate. They do provide laughable axioms though
These are nothing more than Red Herring Fallacies. You're the one who claims to believe in God, and you also just demonstrated that the universe can be eternal, thus contradicting the theistic argument that God could have created the universe.