20 Arguments for God's existence?

[MindForgedManacle]

This has been mentioned in another forum, and people seem to be fawning over it as though it is the holy grail absolutely proving God's existence.

I have not had a chance to look at it thoroughly, but I thought I would present it here to see what you thought of it.

1. The Argument from Change

Not familiar with it, so I can't comment.

2. The Argument from Efficient Causality

An argument from Material Causality would (and does) counter this.

3. The Argument from Time and Contingency

Doesn't work if one (such as me) accepts the B-theory of time. And I'm fairly certain many contingency arguments beg the question by assuming the Principle of Sufficient Reason.

4. The Argument from Degrees of Perfection

If this isn't talking about Robert Maydoyle's argument regarding Great-making properties, I'm not familiar with it.

5. The Design Argument

Which one? And how does it avoid making an argument from ignorance, or contradicting eithe God's omnipotence or omnibenevolence?

6. The Kalam Argument

1) B-theory of Time
2) Quantum Eternity Theorem
3) An argument from Material Causality

7. The Argument from Contingency

Is this really much, if any, different than #3? Again, if it's assuming that the Principle of Sufficient Reason is a metaphysical necessity, yet it doesn't have a reason why it's true, it's just an inconsistent argument.

8. The Argument from the World as an Interacting Whole

Ignoring the stupid name, not familiar with it.

9. The Argument from Miracles

David Hume's argument against miracles.

10. The Argument from Consciousness

-Yawn- Almost certainly just a disguised argument from ignorance.

11. The Argument from Truth

I can't remember this argument. I'll come back to it later perhaps.

12. The Argument from the Origin of the Idea of God

They're referencing Descartes' Trademark Argument, REALLY? That was refuted, like, 400-years ago, and no one uses it. They're REALLY getting desparate at this point.

13. The Ontological Argument

Which one? If Anselm's then it wronglt assumes existence is a property, if Plantinga is begs the question because it has to assume Modal Realism. I'll be releasing a video refuting Plantinga's ontological argument soon.

14. The Moral Argument

Which one? If it's W.L. Craig's, then it's 1st premise is demonstrably false. Moral realism is no more incapable of being true if no gods exist than if they do.

15. The Argument from Conscience

Don't know it, sounds stupid.

16. The Argument from Desire

If this is basically Immanuel Kant's idea that "ought implies can", it's more or less just being sneaky with language. After all, I ought to save everyone from dying and help them all live excellent fulfilling lives, yet that's clearly absurd and just physically impossible given thw limited creature that I am.

17. The Argument from Aesthetic Experience

Lulz, I thought that said the "Argument from the Atheist Experience". xD Anyways, I fail to see anything close to a persuasive argument for God on the basis of aesthetics alone.

18. The Argument from Religious Experience

This cannot convince anyone but the experiencer by mere virtue of the nature of experience.

19. The Common Consent Argument

Don't know, don't care.

20. Pascal's Wager

Oh go fuck Pascal in the ass, why don't they.


And as a counter, I present:

1. Logical Problem of Evil
2. Evidential Problem of Evil
3. Theistic Argument Against Apologetics
4. Argument from Divine Hiddenness
5. Cantorian Argument Against Omniscience
6. Problem of Heaven
7. Problem of Divine Freedom
8. Moral Argument for Atheism
9. Argument from Material Causality
10. Argument from Inconsistent Revelations
11. Euthyphro Dilemma
12. Platonic-Theodicy Dilemma (that's right, dropping in my own argument like a dick)
13. Reverse Modal Ontological Argument
14. Problem of Non-God Objects
15. Argument from Corruption
16. Ray Comfort, Kent Hovind and Ken Ham
17. The Imperfection of Scripture
18. Cosmological Argument for Atheism
19. Problems with God's attributes
20. Hume's Argument Against Miracles

/somewhat thorough