(May 16, 2014 at 2:12 pm)Coffee Jesus Wrote:That's a good point. I get the sense that someone of his viewpoint would argue that on one level reality would continue, but this is a level of reality that is akin to the biblical void, essentially indescribable. We might think of it as a reality of fields, rather than the concrete objects that we perceive via the human brain, itself an image that is created by the mind (as the addition of another "head" seems to lead us to an infinite regress of heads). I imagine this is why "mind" is so fundamental to this train of thought, because in some sense it seems to suggest that without mind there is nothing but energy and matter with no shape or form. It doesn't appear very far off from solipsism, which is why I find idealist philosophies misguided.(May 16, 2014 at 10:39 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: That's where all schisms seem to take root, though. What context is the proper text to understand the relation between the subjective and the objective, mind and matter?
I called the quotes nonsense because they didn't make sense.
"The organism evokes knowledge of a past before it began, and of a future beyond its death. At the other pole, the universe would not have started, or manifested itself, unless it was at some time going to include organisms--just as current will not begin to flow from the positive end of a wire until the negative terminal is secure."
Language is a means to translate between two different perspectives, the subjective and the objective, but this guy is conflating our perspective on reality with reality itself. By this reasoning, I would be right to tell you that you will stop existing when I die.
Quote:(May 16, 2014 at 10:39 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Indeed. But (slight off topic) doesn't the idea of a deterministic Universe imply fatalism, and in turn, the necessity of intelligence?
Not if we're pretending that we don't know certain things, or imagining a hypothetical scenario in which things are different.
But if outside our imagination, things couldn't be any different, then intelligence in the Universe seems to be an inevitable result once the initial quantum event sets the "cosmological constants," no?


