Prayer Studies

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Just because something is un-falsifiable doesn't mean it is logically invalid. You will have to do better.

Nice of you to just baldly assert that.

But in the real world, if there's no failure state for a claim, then there's no way to test that claim, and hence no possibility of being rationally justified in believing it. You theists are committed to retracting every possible failure state for your claims as though that somehow makes them bulletproof, when in actuality all it does is make them untestable and pointless.

You are the one changing the goal posts. This thread is about the validity of prayer studies....you want to change it into a thread about whether prayer works or not.

I'm not moving any goalposts, just making sure you're aware of the consequences of what you're saying. I actually agree with you: prayer studies are pointless because of the ad hoc desperation of those who really want prayer to be effective even when it's shown not to.

You're not saying anything new here, is my point. We already know how theists will scrabble to turn their own claims into vague, intangible messes.