(May 20, 2014 at 10:21 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: Nothing ever done in service of God can ever be called sin.
Says who, then there's this, when God commands an action it's not sinful God can not cause someone to sin. When someone does something and God did not command it, if it's sinful then it's sinful.
Kit Wrote:Basically, any theist can commit a heinous act and make the claim that it was done in service of god in order to absolve himself of guilt. The theist, in essence, deludes himself into a state of morality.
Agreed this is possible and has been done to many times and hurts the Christian belief, they do not realize all the damage they do. It seems you apply this to all Christians, I hope not, most are not capable of a heinous act.
Kit Wrote:Can a theist truly be so far gone that he genuinely believes his acts are moral, when in truth the acts are highly immoral? Or does the theist simply use god as a means to an end, knowing full well that his morality is driven more by personal inner turmoil than any real divinity or understanding of right from wrong?
Yes, as long as those who condemn the act believe in a objective moral code. What is morality if it's subjective, nothing more than opinion. Can an atheist be so far gone they do heinous acts and claim they are moral?
Kit Wrote:How can a theist cause such obvious suffering to someone else and not realize it for what it is? Misrepresenting it as love or compassion is not reasonable.
And an atheist is not capable of the same action, is this part of an implication. I agree that misrepresenting harm as love or compassion is irresponsible and unreasonable, for all who do it.
Kit Wrote:If the theist regularly absolves himself of guilt, without comprehending that his actions are not moral just because he has attached the term god to it, then he is no better than a veritable sociopath. He lacks empathy, because he cannot sympathize with how the other person is suffering due to his immoral behavior and his immoral actions.
If anyone uses any excuse to absolve their action of wrong, their no better than a sociopath, isn't this what you actually mean, seems to me it should be.
Again with a subjective moral code how is it possible to say who is immoral.
Kit Wrote:If theists were at all capable of feeling real sympathy, not the fake feelings they profess, then there would be less suffering in the world.
How is it you can determine who is and who isn't capable of having real feelings, are you claiming to be the real judge of humanity. If you had a true idea of suffering you would not have made such a statement.
Gc
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.