RE: Does it make sense to speak of "Universal Consciousness" or "Univer...
May 26, 2014 at 7:21 pm
(This post was last modified: May 26, 2014 at 7:30 pm by Chas.)
(May 26, 2014 at 6:31 pm)bennyboy Wrote: You keep dismissing specific candidates for the supervenience of mind, because you have to. It's a "mind of the gaps" argument-- you have no idea what it is about the brain that causes the existence of qualia, but you insist that there is evidence it can only be in the brain.
I will say for about the third time that qualia are not a property of brain but of mind/consciousness.
And what's with this bullshit 'you have to'?
Quote:My argument is simple, and you've steadfastly avoided it.
I haven't avoided anything - you have not made your argument clear to me.
Quote: GIVEN THAT the brains of others actually experience qualia, rather than just seeming to, I argue:
1) The brain has many properties.
2) Qualia supervene on some or all of these properties.
3) Some of these properties are unique to the brain, and some are universal.
4) It is not known on which of these properties qualia supervene.
5) It is therefore not known whether qualia are unique to the brain or universal.
You assume that qualia are a property of the brain. I do not.
Quote:Stop hiding behind appeals to evidence and address the argument, if you can. Either that, or provide this "evidence" for brain:mind 1:1 relationship that you keep referring to, and watch it torn to pieces.
I am not hiding behind anything, and that's a really lousy discussion device.
All of the evidence of neuroscience indicates that the mind depends on a brain.
There is no evidence that it depends only on the brains we use.
There is no reason to believe that a silicon-based 'brain' of appropriate complexity couldn't host a mind.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
Science is not a subject, but a method.