RE: An unorthodox belief in God.
June 6, 2014 at 5:23 pm
(This post was last modified: June 6, 2014 at 6:06 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(June 6, 2014 at 3:50 pm)mickiel Wrote: You sound like the two sides of the anthropic principles, you think in only one sided terms; only one way could be right; of course its you're way.
And that's not you at all, eh?
(June 6, 2014 at 3:50 pm)mickiel Wrote: I already mentioned the fine tuning of all creation as being deliberate, that was ignored and not accepted.
You didn't support it. Why should we accept the things you say as true when you can't even be bothered to try to tell us why we should think they are true?
(June 6, 2014 at 3:50 pm)mickiel Wrote: No matter how many light years the sun is away from the earth, if god had not placed them both exactly where he did, they could not co-exist.
The distance between the earth and the sun varies by about 3 million miles over the course of a year. How close or far a planet can be from the sun and still have an environment similar enough to earth's that earthly life could survive there depends largely on its atmosphere. Mars could be as warm as Earth if it had an atmosphere like Venus.
(June 6, 2014 at 3:50 pm)mickiel Wrote: That is designed purpose, conscious intent- its ridiculous to claim this is not evidence of god! I may as well be debating a wall.
It's ridiculous to state your conclusion as though it were an argument.
(June 6, 2014 at 3:50 pm)mickiel Wrote: If we did not have a digestive system, we all would die. If we had no heart, we could not exist. if we had no blood, we would not exist. If this is not evidence of purpose and design, I just don't know what is!
Those would be quite good arguments if we didn't have a very good idea of how natural processes account for all of them.
(June 6, 2014 at 3:50 pm)mickiel Wrote: Evolution did't doit, emergant nature did not do this, it was all in place when the universe was made , put in its place; our bodies had a digestive system from our beginning; the first man had a heart,. a head, a torso and blood; those things did NOT evolve over time.
That is a claim, and one clearly in contradiction to the evidence available to us. You said you accepted evolution, you seem to be a liar in addition to your many other failings. And more ignorant of what the theory of evolution actually claims than Ken Ham, which is saying something, as you once again seem to think the theory claims ridiculous things such as the first human not having a heart when hearts evolved hundreds of millions of years ago, and so did everything else you're imagining humans would have had to do without if evoluton were true. You would be less ignorant about evolution if you never heard of it.
(June 6, 2014 at 3:50 pm)mickiel Wrote:
(June 6, 2014 at 3:34 pm)Cato Wrote: When you provide it. You have yet to demonstrate the validity of anything you have asserted here.
This is an atheistic rehersed response, just like the Christians do when they debate.
No rehearsal needed, all anyone has to do is read two of your posts to see it.
(June 6, 2014 at 4:11 pm)mickiel Wrote: [quote='Mister Agenda'
I would be very interested in seeing your proof that something cannot come from nothing.
(June 6, 2014 at 4:11 pm)mickiel Wrote: Sure. If I may use you in this experiment. You are something, something cannot pull something out of nothing. If so, you reach inside of the empty air in front of you and pull something back from it.
So you think that if something cannot happen in a specific instance, it cannot happen in any situation, anywhere, ever?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.