(June 10, 2014 at 10:28 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:(June 9, 2014 at 10:21 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Again, predictable. You appear to be completely unaware of the research in this field.
He seems to be completely unaware of sarcasm, too; and under the impression that he's succeeding at something. There are sign-language-using gorillas who show more evidence of posessing self-awareness than this man.
(June 9, 2014 at 10:33 pm)mickiel Wrote: 'Yet again, your evidence isn't being rejected because you haven't presented any.'--Mister Agenda
Once again:
http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/genera...l-113.html
That isn't what evidence is, as has been explained. What would actually be evidence has been explained. Yet you post the same thing.
I'm beginning to think the reason you can't recognize consciousness in certain animals is because you don't actually possess it yourself. You lack the faculties to carry on a conversation at a third-grade level (my apologies to any third-graders who may be justifiably offended by that comparison) and don't even know when you're making a fool of yourself. Even animals can be embarassed when they do something stupid, but you sail on obliviously.
(June 9, 2014 at 10:47 pm)mickiel Wrote: Because creation requires a mind, the universe has none.
This is a claim, not evidence. If you don't support it, we are justified in dismissing it out of hand as a bare assertion.
(June 9, 2014 at 4:50 pm)mickiel Wrote: It requires planning, the universe itself has no self or plan
This is a claim, not evidence. If you don't support it, we are justified in dismissing it out of hand as a bare assertion.
(June 9, 2014 at 10:47 pm)mickiel Wrote: It requires raw beginning birth power, the universe has none
This is a claim, not evidence. If you don't support it, we are justified in dismissing it out of hand as a bare assertion.
(June 9, 2014 at 10:47 pm)mickiel Wrote: It requires laws, the universe had none before it was to be
Thanks for saying something different enough to require a different answer. Laws are descriptions of how the universe behaves. They don't apply before it exists, and if the universe behaved differently, it would just have different laws.
(June 9, 2014 at 10:47 pm)mickiel Wrote: It requires reason, the universe cannot reason of itself
It requires ingredients, the universe prior had none
It requires knowledge, the universe has no knowledge
It requires experience, the universe had no experience
All: This is a claim, not evidence. If you don't support it, we are justified in dismissing it out of hand as a bare assertion.
(June 9, 2014 at 10:47 pm)mickiel Wrote: It requires water, the universe had no water
We know how the universe got water. Learn some 5th-grade science, if you're able.
(June 9, 2014 at 10:47 pm)mickiel Wrote: It requires matter, the universe had no matter
It requires gravity, the universe had none
This is a claim, not evidence. If you don't support it, we are justified in dismissing it out of hand as a bare assertion.
(June 9, 2014 at 10:47 pm)mickiel Wrote: It requires chemicals, the universe had no chemicals
We know how the universe got chemicals. Learn some 5th-grade science, if you're able.
(June 9, 2014 at 10:47 pm)mickiel Wrote: It required power to be maintained, the universe just had no such power.
This is a claim, not evidence. If you don't support it, we are justified in dismissing it out of hand as a bare assertion.
(June 9, 2014 at 10:47 pm)mickiel Wrote: Its academic, there must be a God!
That sentence doesn't even make sense.
(June 9, 2014 at 10:55 pm)mickiel Wrote: Riddle me this, how could abundant space come from absolute nothing?
What absolute nothing? We've never claimed there was ever absolutely nothing.
As I said, its a broken record; that's not evidence
its not evidence
its not evidence
its not evidence
its not evidence!
Rehearsed and stubborn.