RE: A Serious Question For Theists
June 11, 2014 at 4:57 pm
(This post was last modified: June 11, 2014 at 5:06 pm by Godscreated.)
(June 11, 2014 at 4:30 pm)Starvald Demelain Wrote:(June 11, 2014 at 4:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: Then stop asking for proof or evidence from Christians, this thing works for both sides of the debate. I think you are embarrassed to show us what you use to do, we're not so why should you, or are you bending to peer pressure, this is for all the former believers.
GC
What kind of "evidence" are you looking for here GC? What beliefs they held? Their church attendance? How often they prayed? How often they cursed? Who they fucked? How big their shits were, etc.?
Why don't you specify your criteria for what makes a "True Christian" instead of beating around the bush and acting like a superior fuckwad?
You want to have discussions with me you'll need to use better language.
(June 11, 2014 at 4:45 pm)Tonus Wrote: I don't think it should really be a mystery. I was raised a Christian, so I did all of the standard things- behaved in line with Christ's teachings, prayed every day, read the Bible regularly, went to religious services regularly, and so on. I behaved, not as one who was seeking god, but as one who had found him and followed him faithfully. This is pretty much the way I noticed that most Christians (JWs or otherwise) lived their lives; they knew that god was a part of their lives and developed what they felt was a real relationship with god.
It's only for those who leave religion and stop believing in god that some line is drawn. It was long after I began to have any kind of doubts that I finally accepted my current views; for many years I simply rejected the notion that god did not exist, even as my faith was falling away. But for a good 25-30 years I lived with no doubt at all and all of the biases that come with believing in god. If there was something that I missed, I don't know what it was.
Thank you for your response, but I wonder does anyone wanting to know God in a more meaningful way ever stop seeking. To me following is very good, it leads to experiences with others that could not be gained in any other way and grows one in character. However to seek God continually would be to know Him in deeper personal ways, ways that keeps one strong in their belief of who God is.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.