Argument #3: Mutations

[Anomalocaris]

One of our cats has six toes instead of the normal five on each front foot. Since a six-toed cat contains more information than a five-toed cat, clearly, some mutations do indeed increase information.

Rev, do you ever get tired of your 'arguments' being so easily and readily refuted?

Boru

Increased instances of the same information is not necessarily an increase in biological information, otherwise normal gorwth or mere proliforation of cancer cells would count as increase information.

An increase in biological information would be when there is an increase in instances of the same information, but some of the extra instances then changed to make the extra instantiation a permanent heritable feature, or even better, changed to make the extra instance an new adaptive as well as heritable feature.

In fact, it is believed a major mechanism for genetic evolution is based on exploiting errors in transcription of genetic information during cellular reporduction that resulted to extra copies (instances) of the same information being inserted into the new genome. The insertion of extra, dupicate genes through transcritpion errors in well documented and commonly observed in biology. Some of these extra information become free to experiment with less deadly effect on the organism because a unchanged, working copy exists elsewhere in the genome. Increase freedom of mutation of the extra copy of genens in turn provides the raw material from which trial and error could result in new adaptively useful information.

I bet Revs didn't even read 0.0000001% of the way to this relatively elementary understanding of how mutation works in genetic level in conjunction with survivability to create new information, before he boldly started to lay yet another turd in this forum.

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When it goes extinct.

Not even then, if some of its members had left descendants which had in the mean time become another specie.