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Faith is a measure of irrationality
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
(June 24, 2014 at 2:10 am)BlackMason Wrote: When does faith become stupid?
When it is improperly defined.

In Hebrews 11:1, Paul defines faith as the "assurance of things hoped for, a conviction of things not seen." The example of the person grabbing an umbrella when he sees indications that it might rain applies here, though I would substitute "expected" in place of "hoped for." If you have a friend who is very reliable, you will come to have faith in him when he agrees to something. If he says he'll pick you up tomorrow at 10am, you have faith that he'll be there.

The idea that faith in god doesn't require clear evidence of his existence, or even that it is incompatible with proof of same, is not what Paul was talking about. After all, in verse seven he says "By faith Noah, being warned of God concerning things not seen as yet, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house." Noah had direct evidence of god's existence and received specific instructions on what to do and how to do it. So where did faith come in? In that he trusted that if god said he would flood the Earth, he would do so.

As far as I am concerned, if you need faith to believe that god exists, then you're doing it wrong.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 24, 2014 at 2:10 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by fr0d0 - June 27, 2014 at 8:48 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 24, 2014 at 4:03 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by FreeTony - June 24, 2014 at 4:21 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - June 24, 2014 at 4:33 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by fr0d0 - June 24, 2014 at 7:51 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Strongbad - June 26, 2014 at 8:50 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by fr0d0 - June 26, 2014 at 9:07 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Strongbad - June 27, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mr Greene - June 24, 2014 at 7:57 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by RobbyPants - June 24, 2014 at 8:21 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - June 24, 2014 at 9:49 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by JesusHChrist - June 24, 2014 at 10:41 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by KUSA - June 24, 2014 at 10:57 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by fr0d0 - June 24, 2014 at 12:29 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Anomalocaris - June 24, 2014 at 12:47 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 26, 2014 at 1:35 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - June 26, 2014 at 5:41 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 26, 2014 at 5:52 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - June 24, 2014 at 12:58 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ThomM - June 25, 2014 at 9:04 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Silver - June 26, 2014 at 2:43 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by vodkafan - June 26, 2014 at 5:47 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - June 26, 2014 at 5:59 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - June 26, 2014 at 9:01 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 26, 2014 at 4:29 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mr Greene - June 26, 2014 at 7:24 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 28, 2014 at 6:15 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - June 28, 2014 at 6:39 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 28, 2014 at 7:18 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Confused Ape - June 29, 2014 at 10:22 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - June 28, 2014 at 11:16 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 1:19 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - June 29, 2014 at 6:46 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 5:30 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - June 29, 2014 at 6:38 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - June 29, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - June 29, 2014 at 1:27 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 1:30 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - June 29, 2014 at 8:35 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 30, 2014 at 3:12 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Simon Moon - June 26, 2014 at 7:52 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - June 26, 2014 at 8:08 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Ravenshire - June 26, 2014 at 11:00 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 30, 2014 at 2:45 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 30, 2014 at 5:40 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Esquilax - June 30, 2014 at 5:53 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - July 1, 2014 at 5:33 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - June 26, 2014 at 4:54 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ManMachine - June 26, 2014 at 7:39 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 28, 2014 at 5:25 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ManMachine - June 28, 2014 at 8:03 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 30, 2014 at 3:52 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Jenny A - June 26, 2014 at 8:04 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by fr0d0 - June 27, 2014 at 2:39 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Jenny A - June 27, 2014 at 9:58 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by fr0d0 - June 27, 2014 at 6:03 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 27, 2014 at 6:07 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Jenny A - June 27, 2014 at 6:34 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 28, 2014 at 9:17 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - June 27, 2014 at 2:51 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ManMachine - June 27, 2014 at 7:40 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 27, 2014 at 3:52 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 27, 2014 at 6:01 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Little lunch - June 27, 2014 at 10:29 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 28, 2014 at 12:38 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Dystopia - June 27, 2014 at 11:20 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Cato - June 28, 2014 at 9:37 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by fr0d0 - June 28, 2014 at 5:46 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 28, 2014 at 7:58 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 28, 2014 at 8:06 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - June 29, 2014 at 1:36 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 28, 2014 at 8:18 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 1:40 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 1:53 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 2:03 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 29, 2014 at 2:03 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 29, 2014 at 2:07 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 9:15 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 29, 2014 at 9:09 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 9:35 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 29, 2014 at 9:50 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ThomM - June 29, 2014 at 10:09 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 30, 2014 at 1:41 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - June 30, 2014 at 5:47 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 30, 2014 at 5:09 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 30, 2014 at 3:21 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - June 30, 2014 at 3:24 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 30, 2014 at 7:27 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - June 30, 2014 at 7:41 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 30, 2014 at 5:11 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - June 30, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 30, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Esquilax - June 30, 2014 at 7:13 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Brian37 - June 30, 2014 at 7:28 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 30, 2014 at 8:28 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Silver - June 30, 2014 at 8:38 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 30, 2014 at 8:45 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Esquilax - June 30, 2014 at 9:09 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Esquilax - July 1, 2014 at 2:36 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - July 1, 2014 at 5:39 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 30, 2014 at 6:04 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ThomM - June 30, 2014 at 9:11 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - June 30, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - July 1, 2014 at 9:30 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - July 1, 2014 at 9:37 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - July 1, 2014 at 9:38 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Jenny A - July 1, 2014 at 10:12 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - June 30, 2014 at 6:02 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Brian37 - June 30, 2014 at 6:54 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - June 30, 2014 at 8:49 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - July 1, 2014 at 9:44 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Strongbad - July 1, 2014 at 2:38 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - July 1, 2014 at 9:48 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - July 1, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - July 1, 2014 at 12:26 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - July 1, 2014 at 1:43 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - July 1, 2014 at 1:54 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - July 2, 2014 at 7:37 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - July 2, 2014 at 11:28 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Jenny A - July 2, 2014 at 12:56 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - July 2, 2014 at 1:03 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Cato - July 2, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Jenny A - July 1, 2014 at 12:37 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - July 1, 2014 at 12:45 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Undeceived - July 1, 2014 at 12:29 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - July 1, 2014 at 1:59 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - July 1, 2014 at 3:29 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - July 1, 2014 at 3:47 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - July 1, 2014 at 4:34 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Strongbad - July 1, 2014 at 5:35 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Esquilax - July 2, 2014 at 8:41 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - July 1, 2014 at 9:42 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - July 2, 2014 at 12:13 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - July 2, 2014 at 1:09 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - July 2, 2014 at 2:10 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Jenny A - July 2, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - July 2, 2014 at 2:32 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - July 2, 2014 at 2:34 pm

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