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Faith is a measure of irrationality
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
(June 26, 2014 at 4:29 pm)ronedee Wrote: Has anyone considered that "faith" works.... for those who have it?

Work in what way?

If by 'work' you mean that it makes them feel good, protected, loved, etc, then sure, it 'works'. If you mean 'works' for them by giving them an internal model that more accurately maps to the external world, then no, it does not work.

If your claiming that their faith does give them a more accurate model of the external world, then you know what you have to do? Provide demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument to prove it.

Quote:Can daily coincidence be normal? Or is it something else?

People are notoriously bad at this kind of thing. When it comes to their beliefs, they count the hits and ignore the misses. Not to mention the well known inaccuracies of personal experience, memories, eyewitness accounts, etc.


Quote:But over the course of our correspondence, it came down to his loss of faith. Not his new found information. We both agreed that "men lie", and no real truth can be found except that is found by us personally.

You are welcome to your own beliefs, but not your own truth.

Billions of people claim to have the truth (different than yours) with just as much faith, confidence, sincerity as you do, yet according to you, they are incorrect.

Quote:So, its whether our faith is in man, or God that is the real issue at hand.

I do not, and know quite a few people, that do not have any faith in the way you mean it.

If anyone is able to point out that I believe anything on faith, you know what I'll do? I'll stop believing it.

Quote:But, if Jesus' words are correct, "the Kingdom is found within"..... what is needed to find it? FAITH. And "IF" indeed it does work for those who have it....

.....who are you to say it doesn't? YMMV

As Matt Dillahunty says, 'Faith is the excuse people give for believing something when they don't have evidence".

Faith is not a path to truth.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 24, 2014 at 2:10 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by fr0d0 - June 27, 2014 at 8:48 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 24, 2014 at 4:03 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by FreeTony - June 24, 2014 at 4:21 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - June 24, 2014 at 4:33 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by fr0d0 - June 24, 2014 at 7:51 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Strongbad - June 26, 2014 at 8:50 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by fr0d0 - June 26, 2014 at 9:07 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Strongbad - June 27, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mr Greene - June 24, 2014 at 7:57 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by RobbyPants - June 24, 2014 at 8:21 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - June 24, 2014 at 9:49 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by JesusHChrist - June 24, 2014 at 10:41 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by KUSA - June 24, 2014 at 10:57 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by fr0d0 - June 24, 2014 at 12:29 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Anomalocaris - June 24, 2014 at 12:47 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 26, 2014 at 1:35 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - June 26, 2014 at 5:41 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 26, 2014 at 5:52 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - June 24, 2014 at 12:58 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ThomM - June 25, 2014 at 9:04 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Silver - June 26, 2014 at 2:43 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by vodkafan - June 26, 2014 at 5:47 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - June 26, 2014 at 5:59 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - June 26, 2014 at 9:01 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 26, 2014 at 4:29 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mr Greene - June 26, 2014 at 7:24 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 28, 2014 at 6:15 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - June 28, 2014 at 6:39 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 28, 2014 at 7:18 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Confused Ape - June 29, 2014 at 10:22 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - June 28, 2014 at 11:16 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 1:19 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - June 29, 2014 at 6:46 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 5:30 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - June 29, 2014 at 6:38 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - June 29, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - June 29, 2014 at 1:27 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 1:30 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - June 29, 2014 at 8:35 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 30, 2014 at 3:12 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Simon Moon - June 26, 2014 at 7:52 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - June 26, 2014 at 8:08 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Ravenshire - June 26, 2014 at 11:00 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 30, 2014 at 2:45 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 30, 2014 at 5:40 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Esquilax - June 30, 2014 at 5:53 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - July 1, 2014 at 5:33 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - June 26, 2014 at 4:54 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ManMachine - June 26, 2014 at 7:39 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 28, 2014 at 5:25 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ManMachine - June 28, 2014 at 8:03 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 30, 2014 at 3:52 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Jenny A - June 26, 2014 at 8:04 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by fr0d0 - June 27, 2014 at 2:39 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Jenny A - June 27, 2014 at 9:58 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by fr0d0 - June 27, 2014 at 6:03 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 27, 2014 at 6:07 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Jenny A - June 27, 2014 at 6:34 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 28, 2014 at 9:17 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - June 27, 2014 at 2:51 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ManMachine - June 27, 2014 at 7:40 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 27, 2014 at 3:52 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 27, 2014 at 6:01 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Little lunch - June 27, 2014 at 10:29 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 28, 2014 at 12:38 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Dystopia - June 27, 2014 at 11:20 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Cato - June 28, 2014 at 9:37 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by fr0d0 - June 28, 2014 at 5:46 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 28, 2014 at 7:58 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 28, 2014 at 8:06 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - June 29, 2014 at 1:36 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 28, 2014 at 8:18 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 1:40 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 1:53 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 2:03 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 29, 2014 at 2:03 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 29, 2014 at 2:07 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 9:15 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 29, 2014 at 9:09 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 29, 2014 at 9:35 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 29, 2014 at 9:50 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ThomM - June 29, 2014 at 10:09 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 30, 2014 at 1:41 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - June 30, 2014 at 5:47 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 30, 2014 at 5:09 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by BlackMason - June 30, 2014 at 3:21 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - June 30, 2014 at 3:24 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 30, 2014 at 7:27 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - June 30, 2014 at 7:41 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - June 30, 2014 at 5:11 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - June 30, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 30, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Esquilax - June 30, 2014 at 7:13 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Brian37 - June 30, 2014 at 7:28 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 30, 2014 at 8:28 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Silver - June 30, 2014 at 8:38 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 30, 2014 at 8:45 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Esquilax - June 30, 2014 at 9:09 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Esquilax - July 1, 2014 at 2:36 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - July 1, 2014 at 5:39 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - June 30, 2014 at 6:04 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ThomM - June 30, 2014 at 9:11 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - June 30, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - July 1, 2014 at 9:30 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - July 1, 2014 at 9:37 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - July 1, 2014 at 9:38 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Jenny A - July 1, 2014 at 10:12 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - June 30, 2014 at 6:02 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Brian37 - June 30, 2014 at 6:54 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - June 30, 2014 at 8:49 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - July 1, 2014 at 9:44 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Strongbad - July 1, 2014 at 2:38 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - July 1, 2014 at 9:48 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - July 1, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - July 1, 2014 at 12:26 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - July 1, 2014 at 1:43 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - July 1, 2014 at 1:54 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - July 2, 2014 at 7:37 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - July 2, 2014 at 11:28 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Jenny A - July 2, 2014 at 12:56 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - July 2, 2014 at 1:03 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Cato - July 2, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Jenny A - July 1, 2014 at 12:37 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - July 1, 2014 at 12:45 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Undeceived - July 1, 2014 at 12:29 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Grandizer - July 1, 2014 at 1:59 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - July 1, 2014 at 3:29 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Tonus - July 1, 2014 at 3:47 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - July 1, 2014 at 4:34 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Strongbad - July 1, 2014 at 5:35 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Esquilax - July 2, 2014 at 8:41 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - July 1, 2014 at 9:42 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - July 2, 2014 at 12:13 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ignoramus - July 2, 2014 at 1:09 am
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by ronedee - July 2, 2014 at 2:10 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Jenny A - July 2, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Bad Wolf - July 2, 2014 at 2:32 pm
RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality - by Mudhammam - July 2, 2014 at 2:34 pm

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