Faith is a measure of irrationality

[ThomM]

Um..no, Ron, deeply irrational, as in deeply irrational as defined by logical constraints - the authority on what is or is not within the purvey of what is "rational". You don't have living breathing proof because you don't have any proof. Inigo Montoya moment. What you have isn't even evidence that you would accept (if you didn't have faith), if you'll recall.

What works? What work is it doing? What is it? Do I dismiss this out of hand or are we going to see something to consider?

Just what, or whom...in your imagination....do I fear? Your claim would seem to be untrue by the simple virtue of my presence in the discussion. Seems to me that you feel that I'm out to prove that you're wrong on these claims. I'm not, I don't care. I think that they're campfire stories. What I am engaging you about, is your continually underachieving rational process. I feel that I've made a fairly simple point here - and I've humored you piling claims on top of claims, but I don't think I'm willing to go any further unless we can get a little back and forth going.

This is quite comical... How do you explain Faith to people that have none?

Its like explaining the sky to a blind person. They have absolutely no concept of what you are talking about!

I "EXPECT" God to hear my prayers. And He answers them.

When you have a relationship with God? NOTHING ELSE MATTERS BUT THAT!

I'm seeing why Jesus was crucified right before my eyes. People got pissed because they couldn't understand Him!

With thousands of claimed gods - prove YOU have a relationship with an actual god - and not one with a fairy tale book,

IF your god answers your prayers - why is there WAR and DISEASE among humans? (Have you never asked for peace?) Why are babies - who cannot sin - and are not responsible for the sins of others - born with limbs missing - other body parts missing - with mental or physical deficiencies. Remember they are BOTH too young to be responsible for their own actions so they cannot have sinned to deserve it - and Newborns are too young to have been affected by any DEVIL you would claim too.

The christ is another MYTH - there is NOT a single mention of him in the hostorical record of his supposed time - NOT a ONE. YOU personally never saw the christ at all - and people cannot understand "him" because the stories about him contradict themselves constantly.

Sorry - the problem is - your claim is preposterous
BUT then - you can prove yourself to be correct - Ask your god to have all new born babies be born whole. ANd then have it happen - I won't be holding my breath - because your god is imaginary if it DOES NOT do that.

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This is quite comical... How do you explain Faith to people that have none?

Its like explaining the sky to a blind person. They have absolutely no concept of what you are talking about!

It is quite comical. Have you ever seen the firing pin of an M249? Would you like for me to describe it to you? This, again, is deeply irrational.

I "EXPECT" God to hear my prayers. And He answers them.

When you have a relationship with God? NOTHING ELSE MATTERS BUT THAT!

-and yet you pay your bills on time, you show up to work, the kids are fed, the house is clean, the spouse is sated....... That's just too much man, are we still having a serious discussion?

I'm seeing why Jesus was crucified right before my eyes. People got pissed because they couldn't understand Him!

My lack of understanding had nothing to do with his crucifixion, nor, in your beliefs - did theirs. In your faith, jesus' crucifixion was a matter of prophecy and fulfillment. Those people had to make those choices, those things had to be done. This was the will of god and fulfillment of his promises. Jesus was crucified because -you- need him to have been crucified. Try to take some responsibility for that, rather than curtly accusing others of having been accessories to torture and human sacrifice. If you want to maintain that these are real people then treat them as such and show a little respect for the shitty position your theology demanded of them.

IF the christ was really an all knowing god - why did he supposedly ask - Why have YOU forsaken me ?- when speaking to HIS god
If the god is ONE god and he was god too- then he would have already known!