RE: Does the universe care?
June 29, 2014 at 10:22 pm
(This post was last modified: June 29, 2014 at 10:24 pm by Logisch.)
(June 29, 2014 at 10:10 pm)Magilla Wrote:(June 29, 2014 at 7:09 pm)Logisch Wrote: ...Q: Does the universe contain a sub-element that is conscious?
My point was not to call the entire universe conscious, but that we are and we are a part of the universe...
A: We're part of the universe, so by technically, sure, but only the part that we're aware of, which is us.
C: But that's a tautology.
Q: Does the universe contain a sub-element that cares?
A: We're part of the universe, and this part of the universe cares about itself and others, so technically yes.
C: That's tautological too.
Does the UNIVERSE care or have consciousness? NO. As a huge, mostly empty place, the UNIVERSE does not care about anything. As a whole, it does not have the apparatus to be conscious. AT least some small part of the universe has those characteristics.
To avoid the fallacy of composition, don't employ the fallacy in any discussion or argument. In usual contexts, to say that the universe does not care, means that if all life on earth was wiped out of existence, the UNIVERSE would not care. In our experience, only living things care. If we accept that, then your point, (the point) is trivially obviously true, Logisch. Aren't we part of the universe, no matter how you look at it? So kudos for being trivially correct, when you tease out what you really meant, even if your thread title contains fallacy of wrongful use of composition.
Fair enough breakdown and thank you for the post. (and welcome to the forum, judging by the first post)