RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
June 30, 2014 at 1:16 am
(This post was last modified: June 30, 2014 at 1:17 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 29, 2014 at 10:20 pm)Lek Wrote: I might have seen an electric car in the past before I knew there were electric cars and thought it was gasoline powered. Later when I learned there were electric cars, I might have thought "that car was really quiet and there was no exhaust. It must have been an electric car." I made my latest decision based on new found information.-that information includes the presence, in the here and now, of electric cars. You haven't modified the analogy, you're actually doubling down on the broken part of it.
Quote:We're not on common ground here because we're defining things differently. To me God is a fact and to you he's not. I guess the only way we could arrive at a conclusion that we both accept is for you to experience God or for me to drop my belief in him.I don't require a pet definition of the word fact to make my point. God is not a fact, not even to you. This is because the word "fact" already has meaning..and there is already a better word for what you're describing. To use the word "fact" in this manner...or any word, really, is to render language useless. I can imagine a hundred other ways we could arrive at a conclusion we would both accept that doesn't rely on my having a brush with the divine - or you losing your faith. Some acknowledgement of the points I;ve been making and how they modify the way in which you communicate your faith in the future would be just one obvious and convenient example. We are not disagreeing on the existence of a god here. We are disagreeing on the process by which you came to that conclusion. Perhaps our disagreement is manufactured...because you didn't actually use the process you're describing to reach the conclusion.
Quote:If I thought you were sincere in what you believed, though it wasn't a proven fact, and I saw that your life was effected in a good way by that belief, I might consider investigating the validity of what you are saying.Of course I'm sincere in my lack of belief. Wouldn't want to start questioning that - or I'll start questioning the sincerity of your beliefs until our noses fall off. We'll never get past that, because - as trolls often remind us - it;s not something so easily "proven". I have a nice house in the country, my crops grow, my children are healthy, I';m not broke. Look at all the increase that no god has brought me? Isn't this evidence identical to your own, doesn't it have the same weight?
Quote:Another thing I wanted to throw in, but I forgot where I wanted to put it - have you ever made a decision based on an unproven fact, but you acted on that decision because you felt sure that it was true?LOL, wtf is an "unproven fact"? Meh, I understand what you're trying to say so I'll bend and say yes...all the time.
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