A discussion around family table.

[Scented Nectar]

Why wouldn't God have given them perfected rules then? Why give them defective ones? I'm really beginning to doubt this god's skills you know. Why didn't he do it right the first time? And please don't say it was in context for the time. Injustice and cruelty are never ok just because of what year it happens to be. That's insane.

Why do you presume to know what God should do? All of time is already known to God. History unfolds and God acts as and when he chooses... when the time is right.

Oh dear, you said it anyways, even though it is insane. No matter whether your god is torturing people forever for noncrimes, or killing their offspring while they are alive because they are not the correct religion (passover), God is always a swell guy. He must have a good reason. You worship a really sick fucker. In fact you worship him despite admitting you don't know why he does anything. What is it about him you are admiring so much?

Rules in society enable the vast majority to enjoy safety. Children in anarchy are unhappy without boundaries. Once they know where the limits are, they can play happily.

We are not talking about common sense rules. We are talking about moronic, unfair ones where if you don't think nice thoughts about the person threatening you, you will be tortured forever. Seriously, stop pretending we are talking about good rules.

God cannot be unjust... or your're not referencing the Judaic Christian God.

See what you are doing here? Your religion is the only right one, and all others are inferior because they are not just. Not only that, but you are backing a god that has been proven bigtime to be unjust.

Other Gods are corruptions of the idea of God.

Yeah, yeah, yours is the only true way, blah blah.

You're allowed to believe or not... that's your freedom - to be an idiot or follow the rules.

No you're not. If you really had that freedom, there wouldn't be the threat of eternal torture as punishment for making the non-favoured-by-god choice. Also, belief is not a choice, unless you are into self-delusion and successful at it to boot. If god wanted us to believe in him, he'd provide clear unquestionable evidence, especially if the eternal future and happiness of his children were at stake, I mean really!

It's the same with criminal justice - you can choose to be good or choose to be bad and invoke the possibility of punishment. Only difference is... Gods justice is true and absolute. Man's justice is potentially flawed.

If you want to compare the god law system with modern secular criminal justice, god loses bigtime. You don't really want to go there, do you?????

If you can't back up what you're saying then you should STFU. Respectfully

Not when it comes to the many thought crimes of the bible. They are too well known for me to have to prove to you, much less go to the work of searching and collecting them all. It's preferable to me that you instead deny that you believe me. That is less unpleasant than looking up well known shit would be.

This is a basic truth we're talking about you denying. To that truth, you are choosing rebellion... and then expect no consequences. How dishonest would it be if you were allowed to break the law without consequences? If you understand common sense, you'd have no problem with this.

What truth? There is no evidence at all that it is real. And common sense has nothing to do with it, unlike modern secular law. Bible law is unchanging and forever binding, keeping the cruelties forever on the belief that it must be right even though it doesn't feel right, because god wants it that way, and who are we to question perfect god. At least though, it looks like you are admitting that you follow god-law because you are scared of the penalty, not because you necessarily agree with the morals behind the individual laws.

Please prove how me not worshipping your god is detrimental to others around me. As for giving credit, why? If your god proved to me that he made the universe and is instilling his cruel and unnecessary rules for me to live under, why should I let him know I give him credit for it, is he worried that I will claim it as my own? This is ridiculous. Remember also, that the xtian god does not just want acknowlegement of his feats, he also wants praise for them. Praise. About a cruel and nonsensical reward/punishment system. Come on, really! I'm not good at self delusion, but if I thought hell were real, I'd be scared enough to give it a good try. You bet I would think nice thoughts about him. Maybe I'd even try to masturbate about him! Nah, he's pretty ugly in every pic I've seen. I take that part back!

Do you have some personal problem you want to share? Your rant here is so illogical it's obsessive.

You don't get my point? Seriously? The point is how unjust and egotistically insane it would be to command people to think good emotions about you at the threat of torture if they don't. What the fuck?

In that you say God is natural. Since your god is not found in nature at all, well, you know...

where are you looking?

I was responding to your claim that god is natural. If you are trying to hint you can't see natural-god by looking at nature, then you are beyond help. Is that what you are trying to say? Trying to get out of answering the dilemma of a natural god not being found anywhere in nature?