(July 3, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
If the Biblical God cannot lie, then the Biblical God is Jesus Christ.
The Biblical God cannot lie.
Therefore. The Biblical God is Jesus Christ.
To deny Jesus Christ is God is to deny the Biblical God.
(July 3, 2014 at 11:34 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Does not address why it's Joseph's line, rather than Mary's given the virgin birth. Also really lame. Really, really lame. The Bible does not use the female line anywhere else for a man's genealogy. Why start here with Joseph's?It gives explanation:
"Notice carefully that Joseph was a direct-line, blood descendant of David and, therefore, of David’s throne. Here is the precise purpose of Matthew’s genealogy: it demonstrated Jesus’ legal right to inherit the throne of David—a necessary prerequisite to authenticating His Messianic claim. However, an equally critical credential was His blood/physical descent from David—a point that could not be established through Joseph since “after His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 1:18, emp. added). This feature of Christ’s Messiahship was established through His mother Mary, who was also a blood descendant of David (Luke 1:30-32). Both the blood of David and the throne of David were necessary variables to qualify and authenticate Jesus as the Messiah."(https://www.apologeticspress.org/Alleged...rticle=932)
(July 3, 2014 at 11:34 pm)Jenny A Wrote: That's from Old Testament to Old Testament, not Old to New.
The prophecy is given in the old testament and the messiah is put to death in the new testament.
(July 3, 2014 at 11:34 pm)Jenny A Wrote: The prophesy doesn't tell us when to start counting.
"...from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks..." Start counting at the decree.
(July 3, 2014 at 11:34 pm)Jenny A Wrote: That would be the unwarranted assumption. We are arguing about whether the Bible is true, not assuming it.
No, this line of debate is a result of your question in post #22 and continued in #32:
Quote:Yes but why believe the Bible instead of the Koran?When having to choose one of these two options, proof of the truth of either option isn't required. When having to choose one of these two options, the Bible is the logical conclusion.
(July 3, 2014 at 11:34 pm)Jenny A Wrote:I agree that is a question, just not the question you initially asked.(July 3, 2014 at 10:43 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: To claim that some of the words of the Bible are not true, that the Bible gets some things wrong about God, is to deny the Biblical God.Uh huh. And whether the there is a god, and if so if the Bible is evidence of him is the question not the answer.
(July 3, 2014 at 11:55 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote:If you believe that God is a liar then you have no reason to believe He told Adam and Eve that "in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."(July 3, 2014 at 10:43 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: The Biblical God cannot lie.Really?!?
"Genesis 2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
According to your nasty little collection of evil fairy tales, buy-bull gawd lied. Neither Adam nor Eve died the day they ate the fruit. Spin as you wish, but a lie is a lie is a lie.
(July 3, 2014 at 11:55 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote: Let me save you some trouble:Do you have an argument as to why the death had to be physical? The proceeding scriptures show they did die spiritually. Why does "thou shalt surely die" necessitate a physical death?
"Their death was spiritual."
Bullshit. Buy-bull gawd didn't say "you will be dead to me" or "it will be as though you died." He said they'd die, that day.
(July 3, 2014 at 11:55 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote: The buy-bull is a collection of oral traditions and, at very best, second-hand accounts (more likely fourth-, fifth-, eighth- or even twenty-seventh-hand), written down by man. Nothing more, nothing less. There is nothing inerrant about it. In fact it is riddled with mistakes and contradictions.Google is your friend. Although be careful he is also a spy.
Also, despite the fact that the first century CE is the best documented period in antiquity there is not one single contemporary account of jeebus. Not one
(July 3, 2014 at 11:55 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote: On another, but related note, it always amuses me when christers put limits on their omniscient, omnipotent invisible sky-fairy daddy figure.You do not understand the definition of omnipotence, nor who makes the claim that God cannot lie.
(July 3, 2014 at 11:55 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote: In some ways humans are more powerful?Are you asserting that because humans can lie they are more powerful than the Biblical God?
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
