RE: About other gods-question for theists
July 8, 2014 at 2:04 pm
(This post was last modified: July 8, 2014 at 2:10 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 8, 2014 at 1:36 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: By asking me to assume no Jesus, surely you jest.But I wouldn't ask that, so, noted, but irrelevant. Is it my opinion, yeah, sure, but you needn't start with my opinion to reach my conclusions. I suppose the rest becomes irrelevant too, but I understand where you wanted to go with this so I'll humor you.
Quote:I agree that fictional charaters do not require a line of descent. However, you've fallen prey to your own criticism. In asking me for an objective proposition, you've set a standard your above statement doesn't follow. Rather than objectively investigating the truth claim that Jesus' geneaologies are as stated, you've assumed He is a fictional character.No assumption is required. We're discussing a book. While there may be a "jesus" somewhere, it certainly doesn't have to be here, and it certainly isn't informative or important as to whatever comments we make on the lines of descent offered in the narrative. Even assuming a jesus, my argument stands. See how I can offer that common ground?
Quote: You've assumed an unargued philisophical bias (Jesus is a fictional character) and then used your 'experience' to conclude that fictional characters don't require a line of descent. Then you've held that your 'experience' is true while mine is not. Why hold others to a standard you are unwilling to keep yourself?You aren't experiencing any jesus beyond the jesus of text when you read a book. You may, in some other way, experience jesus - but it isn't here. We're just discussing a book and the various decisions that went into it's authorship or editing. Aren't we? Do you have anything other than the text to provide? You've offered me a jesus in the black and white. I've made your life easier by explaining that there is no contradiction worth addressing, in fact - no contradiction at all, as it would not be noteworthy or informative even if it were possible confined to the subject that we have before us, a narrative.
Quote:Are you proposing the proposition that: truth is found only within a mind, and therefore has no bearing upon an outside mind?Me, no, of course not, just expounding upon what is implied by solipsim, as you asked.
Quote:Are you asserting the last sentence as true or false?Neither, again, as above.
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