Q about arguments for God's existence.

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But if that is your point, then it's not saying much. In fact, specifying them as atheists misattributes their reason for doing so: you might as well be saying that moustachioed people have persecuted christians. The mustache had as much to do with the persecution as the atheism did.

You need to follow the argument from the beginning. In the beginning I think I was responding to a statement that christianity was responsible for more atrocities than anything else in history. There's too many pages in this thread to go back and review, but someone made a comment about all the people killed due to christianity or by christians. I then made a comment about all the people that were persecuted and killed by atheists. But follow my posts, you will see that my argument exonerated atheists as well as christians. I was blaming the acts on the individuals not their faith or philosophy.

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This is an incredibly bad argument. Other bad things happen, and therefore we shouldn't care about the ones that happen due to religion? Seriously?

What does one have to do with the other? Do you wave off murders and say they don't matter because rapes happen? It's a complete non-sequitur. So what if other bad things happen? Less bad things would happen without your religion, which would make the world a better place! Your argument basically says that because the world wouldn't be absolutely perfect without religion, then it wouldn't be improved at all without religion. It's a false dichotomy, and it's ridiculous.

I think that without christianity in the world, there would be more atrocities committed. Take a look at the ancient pagan nations and, of course, communist nations. Take away christianity and the void will be filled with something that's really evil. There's always something there.