(May 16, 2010 at 8:00 pm)Shell B Wrote: [quote='Godschild' pid='70753' dateline='1274053786']Shell B, Tackattack has made it clear that sin is not having Gods will in your decisions.
Quote:I don't feel like anything was made clear. Hypothetically, if I build a robot and then that robot somehow harms someone or "sins", would it be the robot's fault or mine? Who was behind the crime? It is my feeling that it would be my fault. Just because the robot didn't do exactly what I told it to do, doesn't remove the blame from me.
In reality a robot is the best you can do. A hunk of metal with no freewill, no feelings, no sense of responsbility, no sense of right and wrong and can only act on your primative programming. So you betcha your responsible for its actions which makes you, not the robot, guilty of the sin.
God did not make robots He created man with the full capacity to make decisions, with a freewill to exercise his decisions and with the knowledge of right and wrong so that we know there are consequences for our decisions.
Quote:Taking the blame off of god is the same principle as a parent abusing a child and then acting all butthurt when the child acts out.
I really do not see the connection here God did not abuse Adam and Eve and their choice was not Gods responsibility. Their choice came from the freewill given them to be as they desired. This was not Gods will for them He never forced them into any decision therefore the responsibility falls on them not God. I do not understand how you can think that this act of rebellion was in anyway Gods fault. God has made all of us beings of freewill and frankly I would not want it any other way. You argue this point as if (that's if you were a believer) God was a puppeteer. If you were a believer is this what you would want God to be, I guess it would make responsibility easier saying God made me do it. That would be the same as saying the devil made me do it just like Eve did what an insult to God who gave her the freewill to choose and Adam was no better when he blamed Eve.
(May 16, 2010 at 7:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: When God created the universe it was perfect there was no sin. Then Satan (Lucifer) defied God bringing sin into existance. The sin was not a part of the created universe at this point in time because God and the angels lived outside of the created phyisical universe and sin was contained there.
If god created the universe, then he created everything in it. Paul put it best,
(May 16, 2010 at 1:22 pm)Paul the Human Wrote: the very fact that something exists demands that nothingness also exist (for lack of a better word). So, if god created existence, then he simultaneously created non-existence.
God did not create existence He already existed, God did not create sin, sin is an action against God. Lucifer and man chose to go against God thus sin was born. If existence had to be created then God would have been a creation but He's not He's eternal. God did bring things into existence that did not exist before, this is the creation of things not existence itself. There is no such thing as non-existence even the big bang theory does not allow for non-existence, there are things, places, people and ect. that are yet to exist. These are things not existence itself.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
