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Atheism is a religion.
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RE: Atheism is a religion.
(July 18, 2014 at 8:30 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: MM, you seem to not recognize the difference between rational, evidenced-based philosophies that may or may not allow for naive optimism or be overly ego-centric and blind, retarded, religious devotion.

I don't think religious devotion is retarded. The need to have systems of belief is hardwired into our brains. It's reasonable to suggest they have had some evolutionary benefit for us as a species for a period long enough they have become a permanent part of our neural structure.

I completely accept that we have no idea what form this took prior to the advent of writing, when humans were able to express these ideas in permanent form. But this was probably tens of thousands of years after the neural structures appeared in our brains.

What we can say is that systems of belief have performed a useful function for us, whatever that may be.

'Blind faith', as you put it, also has obvious evolutionary benefits. We need to take some information from others at face value without the need to go find the evidence for ourselves (e.g. don't go in that cave, there is a human eating bear in there).

I can rationalise the human need for both systems of belief and 'blind faith'.

If we accept this as a rational position then we can reason that religion as we know it today is probably predicated on these neural functions, it is also reasonable to ask the question that if these neural functions are still there even when we consciously reject organised religion, then they probably play a part in selecting whatever we choose to replace rejected religions.

That the system of belief we call religion does not require 'rational, evidenced-based philosophies' is beside the point. We make the rules up as we go along, most early scientific theories would not pass the falsifiability test if presented today, Darwin's Theory of Evolution is one of them, Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity is another.

You believe you are right because you believe you are more enlightened than previous, more religious generations because of your 'rational, evidenced-based philosophies', but this notion itself is not rational, there is nothing to scientifically measure this. This is nothing more than 'blind faith' in your own system of belief.

MM
"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions" - Leonardo da Vinci

"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
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Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 16, 2014 at 9:22 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Umberto - July 16, 2014 at 9:34 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Polaris - July 16, 2014 at 9:45 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Jenny A - July 16, 2014 at 9:54 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Umberto - July 16, 2014 at 9:58 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - July 17, 2014 at 3:11 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 16, 2014 at 9:55 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 16, 2014 at 9:55 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Cato - July 16, 2014 at 10:03 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 16, 2014 at 10:54 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 16, 2014 at 11:57 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Cato - July 17, 2014 at 8:22 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - July 17, 2014 at 3:40 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 16, 2014 at 10:04 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 16, 2014 at 10:43 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2014 at 12:19 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 17, 2014 at 12:23 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2014 at 12:25 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 17, 2014 at 2:19 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 17, 2014 at 3:22 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2014 at 3:38 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 17, 2014 at 2:37 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 17, 2014 at 3:40 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2014 at 3:51 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 17, 2014 at 4:20 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2014 at 4:25 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 17, 2014 at 4:28 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2014 at 4:32 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 17, 2014 at 8:05 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 17, 2014 at 10:02 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by FatAndFaithless - July 17, 2014 at 10:05 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 17, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Jenny A - July 17, 2014 at 10:12 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 17, 2014 at 10:15 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Jenny A - July 17, 2014 at 10:19 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 17, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - July 17, 2014 at 3:05 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 24, 2014 at 9:17 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 17, 2014 at 3:10 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 17, 2014 at 4:28 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 17, 2014 at 4:47 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 17, 2014 at 4:49 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Welsh cake - July 17, 2014 at 3:17 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 17, 2014 at 3:29 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ManMachine - July 17, 2014 at 5:14 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Jenny A - July 17, 2014 at 6:30 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ManMachine - July 18, 2014 at 5:32 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Jenny A - July 18, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 18, 2014 at 10:02 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ManMachine - July 18, 2014 at 10:16 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 18, 2014 at 10:21 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ManMachine - July 18, 2014 at 11:36 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Cato - July 18, 2014 at 11:54 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by buddabobblehead - July 18, 2014 at 12:53 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 18, 2014 at 3:33 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 19, 2014 at 10:58 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Jenny A - July 18, 2014 at 10:31 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 17, 2014 at 9:38 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by psychoslice - July 17, 2014 at 10:56 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Polaris - July 17, 2014 at 11:20 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Jenny A - July 17, 2014 at 11:33 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Polaris - July 17, 2014 at 11:57 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - July 18, 2014 at 11:30 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 18, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 18, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 18, 2014 at 1:44 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - July 21, 2014 at 3:25 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2014 at 11:01 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2014 at 11:37 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by The Grand Nudger - July 18, 2014 at 12:13 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Polaris - July 18, 2014 at 12:15 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 18, 2014 at 8:30 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ManMachine - July 18, 2014 at 8:52 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 18, 2014 at 9:58 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ManMachine - July 21, 2014 at 6:48 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 21, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by The Grand Nudger - July 18, 2014 at 9:31 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ManMachine - July 18, 2014 at 10:10 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 18, 2014 at 10:13 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Cato - July 18, 2014 at 10:08 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 18, 2014 at 11:19 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by buddabobblehead - July 18, 2014 at 11:24 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - July 18, 2014 at 11:58 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ShaMan - July 18, 2014 at 3:34 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by archangle - July 18, 2014 at 5:04 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 18, 2014 at 5:10 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by vodkafan - July 19, 2014 at 8:46 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 19, 2014 at 8:49 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 19, 2014 at 8:54 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 19, 2014 at 9:12 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 19, 2014 at 8:55 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by vodkafan - July 19, 2014 at 9:16 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by buddabobblehead - July 19, 2014 at 1:31 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by buddabobblehead - July 20, 2014 at 12:22 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 20, 2014 at 4:25 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 20, 2014 at 4:40 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 21, 2014 at 5:32 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Cato - July 20, 2014 at 5:51 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 20, 2014 at 3:00 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 23, 2014 at 2:32 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - August 26, 2014 at 10:51 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - September 1, 2014 at 4:26 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - September 2, 2014 at 9:53 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Simon Moon - August 26, 2014 at 11:43 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by The Grand Nudger - July 20, 2014 at 3:03 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 20, 2014 at 3:04 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by LastPoet - July 20, 2014 at 3:45 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 21, 2014 at 2:15 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by CapnAwesome - July 24, 2014 at 9:25 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 25, 2014 at 1:17 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 25, 2014 at 2:09 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 25, 2014 at 9:14 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Cato - July 25, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 28, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - August 26, 2014 at 11:31 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ComradeMeow - August 29, 2014 at 2:02 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dawsonite - August 30, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by downbeatplumb - August 31, 2014 at 7:34 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Gawdzilla - August 31, 2014 at 7:40 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - September 1, 2014 at 4:38 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - September 1, 2014 at 4:57 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - September 1, 2014 at 5:01 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - September 1, 2014 at 5:24 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - September 1, 2014 at 6:28 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by mytmztroll - September 1, 2014 at 6:09 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 1, 2014 at 6:27 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ComradeMeow - September 1, 2014 at 12:20 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - September 4, 2014 at 3:01 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - September 4, 2014 at 5:48 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - September 4, 2014 at 5:44 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - September 4, 2014 at 5:59 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ShaMan - September 4, 2014 at 6:18 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - September 4, 2014 at 7:55 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - September 4, 2014 at 7:58 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ShaMan - September 4, 2014 at 7:59 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by DangerousElf - September 7, 2014 at 6:02 pm

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