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Atheism is a religion.
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RE: Atheism is a religion.
(July 18, 2014 at 8:52 am)ManMachine Wrote: I don't think religious devotion is retarded. The need to have systems of belief is hardwired into our brains. It's reasonable to suggest they have had some evolutionary benefit for us as a species for a period long enough they have become a permanent part of our neural structure.
It's also reasonable to suggest that whatever benefit religion provided to our species, we've outgrown its functions. I say "we've" as in religion no longer offers any net benefits to mankind as a whole, though it might for those who believe in it, but these are not proven benefits, especially not in the way it probably was before humans had a rational methodology and a cohesive foundation for civilization, philosophy, science, HISTORY, etc.

Quote:'Blind faith', as you put it, also has obvious evolutionary benefits. We need to take some information from others at face value without the need to go find the evidence for ourselves (e.g. don't go in that cave, there is a human eating bear in there).
Not all things taken at face value are equal and not all can be rendered "blind faith." Clearly both the practical and evolutionary benefit of taking things at face value ends at a certain point (or reasonably should), and it does so long before religion in today's day and age.

Quote:I can rationalise the human need for both systems of belief and 'blind faith'.
No, you can't.

Quote:If we accept this as a rational position then we can reason that religion as we know it today is probably predicated on these neural functions, it is also reasonable to ask the question that if these neural functions are still there even when we consciously reject organised religion, then they probably play a part in selecting whatever we choose to replace rejected religions.
Yes, the neural functions which allow us to engage with the external world and measure what can be reliably said to exist independently of any single person's experience with it. Sorry, religion fails this simple test.

Quote:You believe you are right because you believe you are more enlightened than previous, more religious generations because of your 'rational, evidenced-based philosophies', but this notion itself is not rational, there is nothing to scientifically measure this. This is nothing more than 'blind faith' in your own system of belief.

MM
Okay, stop acting like you're deaf to every achievement mankind has made by actually following a paradigm informed by tools of a rigorous methodology designed to make knowledge more precise and to expose errors. I'm talking about the scientific method, which is what I utilize to form my beliefs, and for you to compare this to the religious method (believe, believe, believe! feel, feel, feel!) is incredibly naive or simply dishonest.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 16, 2014 at 9:22 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Umberto - July 16, 2014 at 9:34 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Polaris - July 16, 2014 at 9:45 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Jenny A - July 16, 2014 at 9:54 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Umberto - July 16, 2014 at 9:58 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - July 17, 2014 at 3:11 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 16, 2014 at 9:55 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 16, 2014 at 9:55 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Cato - July 16, 2014 at 10:03 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 16, 2014 at 10:54 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 16, 2014 at 11:57 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Cato - July 17, 2014 at 8:22 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - July 17, 2014 at 3:40 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 16, 2014 at 10:04 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 16, 2014 at 10:43 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2014 at 12:19 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 17, 2014 at 12:23 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2014 at 12:25 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 17, 2014 at 2:19 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 17, 2014 at 3:22 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2014 at 3:38 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 17, 2014 at 2:37 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 17, 2014 at 3:40 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2014 at 3:51 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 17, 2014 at 4:20 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2014 at 4:25 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 17, 2014 at 4:28 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2014 at 4:32 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 17, 2014 at 8:05 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 17, 2014 at 10:02 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by FatAndFaithless - July 17, 2014 at 10:05 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 17, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Jenny A - July 17, 2014 at 10:12 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 17, 2014 at 10:15 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Jenny A - July 17, 2014 at 10:19 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 17, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - July 17, 2014 at 3:05 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 24, 2014 at 9:17 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 17, 2014 at 3:10 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 17, 2014 at 4:28 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 17, 2014 at 4:47 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 17, 2014 at 4:49 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Welsh cake - July 17, 2014 at 3:17 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 17, 2014 at 3:29 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ManMachine - July 17, 2014 at 5:14 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Jenny A - July 17, 2014 at 6:30 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ManMachine - July 18, 2014 at 5:32 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Jenny A - July 18, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 18, 2014 at 10:02 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ManMachine - July 18, 2014 at 10:16 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 18, 2014 at 10:21 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ManMachine - July 18, 2014 at 11:36 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Cato - July 18, 2014 at 11:54 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by buddabobblehead - July 18, 2014 at 12:53 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 18, 2014 at 3:33 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 19, 2014 at 10:58 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Jenny A - July 18, 2014 at 10:31 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 17, 2014 at 9:38 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by psychoslice - July 17, 2014 at 10:56 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Polaris - July 17, 2014 at 11:20 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Jenny A - July 17, 2014 at 11:33 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Polaris - July 17, 2014 at 11:57 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - July 18, 2014 at 11:30 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 18, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 18, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 18, 2014 at 1:44 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - July 21, 2014 at 3:25 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2014 at 11:01 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2014 at 11:37 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by The Grand Nudger - July 18, 2014 at 12:13 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Polaris - July 18, 2014 at 12:15 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 18, 2014 at 8:30 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ManMachine - July 18, 2014 at 8:52 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 18, 2014 at 9:58 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ManMachine - July 21, 2014 at 6:48 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 21, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by The Grand Nudger - July 18, 2014 at 9:31 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ManMachine - July 18, 2014 at 10:10 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mudhammam - July 18, 2014 at 10:13 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Cato - July 18, 2014 at 10:08 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 18, 2014 at 11:19 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by buddabobblehead - July 18, 2014 at 11:24 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - July 18, 2014 at 11:58 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ShaMan - July 18, 2014 at 3:34 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by archangle - July 18, 2014 at 5:04 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 18, 2014 at 5:10 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by vodkafan - July 19, 2014 at 8:46 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 19, 2014 at 8:49 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - July 19, 2014 at 8:54 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 19, 2014 at 9:12 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 19, 2014 at 8:55 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by vodkafan - July 19, 2014 at 9:16 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by buddabobblehead - July 19, 2014 at 1:31 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by buddabobblehead - July 20, 2014 at 12:22 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 20, 2014 at 4:25 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - July 20, 2014 at 4:40 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 21, 2014 at 5:32 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Cato - July 20, 2014 at 5:51 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 20, 2014 at 3:00 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 23, 2014 at 2:32 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - August 26, 2014 at 10:51 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - September 1, 2014 at 4:26 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Mister Agenda - September 2, 2014 at 9:53 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Simon Moon - August 26, 2014 at 11:43 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by The Grand Nudger - July 20, 2014 at 3:03 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 20, 2014 at 3:04 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by LastPoet - July 20, 2014 at 3:45 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dystopia - July 21, 2014 at 2:15 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by CapnAwesome - July 24, 2014 at 9:25 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 25, 2014 at 1:17 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - July 25, 2014 at 2:09 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 25, 2014 at 9:14 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Cato - July 25, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - July 28, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - August 26, 2014 at 11:31 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ComradeMeow - August 29, 2014 at 2:02 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Dawsonite - August 30, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by downbeatplumb - August 31, 2014 at 7:34 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Gawdzilla - August 31, 2014 at 7:40 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - September 1, 2014 at 4:38 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - September 1, 2014 at 4:57 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - September 1, 2014 at 5:01 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - September 1, 2014 at 5:24 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - September 1, 2014 at 6:28 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by mytmztroll - September 1, 2014 at 6:09 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 1, 2014 at 6:27 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ComradeMeow - September 1, 2014 at 12:20 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - September 4, 2014 at 3:01 am
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by rexbeccarox - September 4, 2014 at 5:48 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Zidneya - September 4, 2014 at 5:44 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - September 4, 2014 at 5:59 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ShaMan - September 4, 2014 at 6:18 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ignoramus - September 4, 2014 at 7:55 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by Whateverist - September 4, 2014 at 7:58 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by ShaMan - September 4, 2014 at 7:59 pm
RE: Atheism is a religion. - by DangerousElf - September 7, 2014 at 6:02 pm

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