(July 30, 2014 at 2:01 pm)alpha male Wrote:(July 30, 2014 at 12:57 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: God had to go through with it:From his internal sense of justice.
So, for whatever reason, this bizarre self-sacrifice was vital to God forgiving our sins, and he couldn't simply just... forgive us. It's something to which God was beholden, and something he has no control over. It makes me wonder: from where did this rule come?
Are you able to simply just...forgive anyone in any circumstance? If so, teach the method to your fellow atheists, cause they sure like to point out theist offenses. They're not simply just...forgiving.
ETA: I see that orangebox beat me to this angle in saying, "From His nature. God is just. To simply overlook wrongdoing would be unjust. God cannot deny His nature."
Why doesn't Minimalist simply just...worship god?
Is it just to torture someone eternally for the small wrongs of their life? ----I don't think so.
Is it just to either victims or society to allow someone other that the perpetrator to go to jail for the perpetrator? ---- Try floating that balloon in the court room and see how the public would react.
Is it just to punish sons for the sins of their fathers (or great, great, great, great. . . . grandfathers)? ----It is not.
What you are saying is that god has a completely different standard of justice and that by his very nature he can't violate that standard of justice.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.