Did I miss anything?

[Drich]

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to absolutly everyone who asks, no matter what they have done, no matter who they are on a planetary scale, spanning the whole of human history?

Well, there's a threshold, but at the point at which it has passed one really needs to be asking why god ever would reward such a person. God seems to really lack discernment.

reward them how? With attonement?
Not all who ask for it will receive it per Christ Himself on the subject in Mat 7. Even those who do great things in His name will He recognize. Only those who do the will of the Father.

But this is the real problem here, because none of those crimes, no matter how great, affect god in the slightest. .Even assuming he forgives everyone ever out of hand... there's no cost to that. Merely asserting one doesn't demonstrate it, especially when you're still just talking in abstracts.

only if you believe God has no claim of ownership of anything in this world.

If a man trashes his own house big deal. But, if the same man does the exact same damage to a rented house, that man is liable to everything he has done.

"We" all live in rented homes in this life. Everything here including your skin and everything under it belongs to God.

That means all the trash and damage we do to our 'lives/homes' are committed against the property owner and not the squatter or renter currently living in the residence.

Therefore we owe a debt (one we can not pay.)

... And fails to mention what that cost is.

actually the bible is very clear and mentions in several places that the wage for sin is death. Which is why Christ had to die the way He did.

But why would you point me to the same random, vague assertion in the bible, knowing ahead of time that I don't think the bible is infallible?

because you make assertions based on the ideas and principles found in the bible. When you do the bible becomes a valid point of reference. (Whether you believe it infallible or not.)

The fact that your poorly constructed theology is a part of the biblical narrative doesn't make it better.

my "theology" has little bearing on when you ask a biblically based question or make an assertion about the bible or the God of the bible. At that point any biblically based answer or correction has little to do with personal theology and more to do with what the bible says.

To the question now returns to you. How do you know what thinks or feels?

I don't believe he exists? But costs can be demonstrated, or at least stated, and at this point I also have no reason to believe any cost actually applies to divine forgiveness, because of the evasiveness of the people trying to explain it. Things need to be demonstrated; I don't care if the bible asserts there's a cost, I want to know what it is.

Romans 6:23 is where to find the cost of sin

Not true. They knew disobedience resulted in death.

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.. From a position where they had no concept of what death was,

what in the bible makes you believe this?

The fact that God used it as a deterrent says otherwise.

Seems a bit passive aggressive, really? Do you put a nuclear bomb in your kid's playpen, because he needs a choice whether or not to touch it?

I really don't think the scenario here is improved by noting that god specifically formulated the most danger ever and placed it in close proximity to his children in order to get them to hurt themselves so he can say "I told you so."

what is the alternative in your opinion?

Fiat assertion of a debt for something I didn't do doesn't convince me. I'm an individual person, supposedly imbued with free will, why am I being packaged in along with everyone else with this nonsense? .

what about the sins you have committed?

Yes. But then, I am actually thinking about it, so that's no surprise.

what specifically?