RE: WHY was Jesus cricified?
July 31, 2014 at 10:22 am
(This post was last modified: July 31, 2014 at 10:22 am by RobbyPants.)
(July 30, 2014 at 6:56 pm)frasierc Wrote: In many ways all forgiveness requires some cost. If someone harms me I can choose to retaliate and harm them back - which may be the just thing to do. But by forgiving them I choose to lose my rights to punish them and choosing instead to make peace with them. In other words I'm choosing to bear the cost of their sins by not retaliating and choosing to make peace instead.
So, you're saying God could have chosen to simply forgive, yet didn't want to?
(July 30, 2014 at 6:56 pm)frasierc Wrote: So clearly if God has made this promise he could choose to change his mind - and say actually the consequences I promised won't actually happen after all. But this just makes his promises meaningless.
...just like God chose to make that promise to Adam.
This still fits squarely within my original assertion of God setting up an arbitrary paradigm of unnecessary punishments. This system exists because he wants it to exist.
(July 30, 2014 at 8:42 pm)alpha male Wrote: He doesn't tell us to flat out forgive. He tells us to forgive in recognition that He is forgiving us. You chose a good passage, but stopped reading too soon. Read vv. 23-35.
Ironically, you also quit reading too early. Matthew 18:22-35
Matthew 18:22-35 Wrote:
Whoa! It's almost like he expects us to flat-out forgive people, with no expectation or compensation or punishment!