(August 6, 2014 at 3:04 pm)Chuck Wrote:(August 6, 2014 at 11:31 am)little_monkey Wrote: You've completely missed the boat as you are mixing your apples with your oranges. The conflict is not about possession/dispossession of an object - be it a piece of land, a house or a piece of art. When Jews started to move back into what was then called Palestine in the 19th century, they BOUGHT the land from Palestinians who were more than willing to sell their properties at whatever market value it was in those days. As of today, 20% of Israelis are non-Jews - the vast majority of those people are Muslims with a tiny fraction being Christians. These have the right to buy/sell/own properties just like any other citizen of Israel. As to those Palestinians who fled the conflict in 1948 and never returned, that's because not that Israel barred them, they can go back, but they would be living under Israeli rule, and that they refuse to do. So this dispossession is self-imposed.
The real conflict is not about possession/dispossession but about the creation of a state, which the Palestinians have vowed since 1948 the destruction of the state of Israel. Get up to speed with the real issue as you are sorely ignorant.
Israel May choose to define the boat in such a visionary manner that Israel can convince itself it is always right, and those who point out Israel is doing onto others what it thinks ought not be done onto itself as having "missed the boat". But I do not see the boat the same way.
The real issue is Israel possesses a state in the land of Palestine, against the wishes of a Palestinians, to whom belongs the legitimate right, now dispossessed, to any state within the former Palestine.
To define one apple as an orange so one could steal it without in one's own mind contravening the general rule against theft of apples, especially the said rule is useful one one's own other pursuits, is disgraceful and contemptible.
War is ugly. The cost in human lives for WW2 was over 60 millions. Do you see Germany or Japan embarking in a militaristic path? No, because they learned their lesson at tremendous cost. Obviously, the Palestinians have NOT paid that huge cost, not huge enough to make them realize the folly of their decision to continue a war they have engaged for over 60 years. Unfortunately, the Israelis don't have the guts to finish the job: bomb Gaza until the Palestinians wave the white flag and surrender unconditionally. Until then, there will be what we've had in the past 10 years - a limited series of bombings, followed by a truce during which the Palestinians will re-arm and continue their attacks, followed by again a limited series of bombings and so on. I will not shred a tear for the Palestinians as they are getting a lot less than what they really deserve. Perhaps when a million of them are killed, those who are left behind will come to their sense and drop their weapons and wave the white flag. In that case only will talk of peace actually happen.