should america support Israel?

[little_monkey]

There's enough crying on both sides of the divide, to be honest. Propaganda is emanating from the Israelis at quite the hurry, too.

Wrong. The crying is coming mainly from the Palestinians. In the war of images, Israel will stand to loose every time as the Palestinian "freedom fighters" have launched and will continue to launch their rockets in the middle of populated area. There's no other way for Israel to take those out without killing large number of Palestinians in the process. And Hamas will use these pictures to suade the international community to express their outrage towards Israel. And many fools fall for that shit. Israel knows damned well it cannot win this war of images but at the same time it needs to be sensitive to what is propagated in the US as it depends heavily on US support. If only Israel would not fall another time for these Palestinians tricks. But I have little hope that the Israeli leadership has the stomach to carry out what is needed to be done.

The killing should only stop when the Palestinians are ready to wave the white flag and surrender unconditionally. It would be lunacy for Israel to help the Palestinians when these people have not deflected one iota from their open and stated policy of destroying the state of Israel. Only after an unconditional surrender from every part of Palestinian society can there be talks of peace, reparation and cooperation. Any other recipe is doomed to failure.

I disagree. The killing should stop immediately based on both sides stopping shooting. The idea that the killing should only stop when the Palestinians surrender leaves them at the mercy of an Israeli state that treats them like shit.

Where were you in 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012? It's the same fucking story that is happening right now in 2014. When will you be able to connect the fucking dots? Another truce will only mean giving time for the Palestinians to re-arm. If you believe in anything else, you are delusional.

Also, I see that you missed a key point in my statement when I said that if your "plan" of ending the war by killing a million or more Palestinians were to be successful, it would need aid to be applied after the victory. You clearly are thinking that I'm advocating aid while the conflict is still going on, as shown in the text you wrote and I emphasize. This discussion would have less misunderstanding if you'd read what I'm writing.

I didn't miss anything, just supplying what is needed to be said so that it is clear what we are talking about.

Finally, the insistence that peace can only come with a Palestinian surrender belies a clear pro-Israeli slant on your part, which is fine. But that position needs a little more reasonable support than what has thus far been presented. Israel has bloody hands and policies at work which fuel the hatred directed at it.

You can thank your Palestinian friends for the blood being spilled. Had Palestinians agree to the UN resolution in 1948, there would be two peaceful states, living side by side, with most likely many intermarrying. Instead, the Palestinians declared war, and we are where we are.

The generalization was mine as it was unmistakenly a logical conclusion from your post. But thanks for indicating that you had other stuff in mind.

It was not a logical conclusion from my post, as a closer reading will reveal.

Whatever rocks your boat.