RE: should america support Israel?
August 6, 2014 at 7:55 pm
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2014 at 7:59 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(August 6, 2014 at 7:01 pm)little_monkey Wrote: Wrong. The crying is coming mainly from the Palestinians. In the war of images, Israel will stand to loose every time as the Palestinian "freedom fighters" have launched and will continue to launch their rockets in the middle of populated area. There's no other way for Israel to take those out without killing large number of Palestinians in the process. And Hamas will use these pictures to suade the international community to express their outrage towards Israel. And many fools fall for that shit. Israel knows damned well it cannot win this war of images but at the same time it needs to be sensitive to what is propagated in the US as it depends heavily on US support. If only Israel would not fall another time for these Palestinians tricks. But I have little hope that the Israeli leadership has the stomach to carry out what is needed to be done.
I'd suggest you search out multiple sources, then. I regularly hear Netanyahu justifying the killing of 1300 Palestinians, many non-combatants, due to rocket-firings which haven't killed one-tenth the number of Israelis. And yes, the fact that Hamas puts their batteries in populated ares is itself an atrocity. That doesn't mean that Israel must resort to wholesale invasion to counteract it. Surely that is one "solution", but I'm sure there are others.
(August 6, 2014 at 7:01 pm)little_monkey Wrote: Where were you in 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012? It's the same fucking story that is happening right now in 2014. When will you be able to connect the fucking dots? Another truce will only mean giving time for the Palestinians to re-arm. If you believe in anything else, you are delusional.
When you must resort to invective, you must not have much of a point to make.
Firstly, I didn't realize that I had been appointed Keeper of All That is Right for the Middle East. All this time, I thought I was simply opining online. I didn't realize I had to answer to you for my actions in the last eight years. But since you seem to think you are owed an answer, I'll do you a favor and give you one: I was complaining about atrocities from both sides, as I have been since the first intifada. Injustice is injustice, no matter who perpetrates it.
Your naive assumption that Israel is lily-white is preventing you from grasping a larger truth. But credit where credit is due, you have the simple stuff like "war is hell" down.
(August 6, 2014 at 7:01 pm)little_monkey Wrote: I didn't miss anything, just supplying what is needed to be said so that it is clear what we are talking about.
It had already been said. All the more, after this reply, do I think that your reading skills are being filtered by your biases.
(August 6, 2014 at 7:01 pm)little_monkey Wrote: You can thank your Palestinian friends for the blood being spilled. Had Palestinians agree to the UN resolution in 1948, there would be two peaceful states, living side by side, with most likely many intermarrying. Instead, the Palestinians declared war, and we are where we are.
The proper apportionment of blame should go to the British anyways, as anyone schooled in a little history would know.
But -- I'm not sure why you think I have Palestinian friends; I've criticized both sides of this shitsplat, and I certainly don't exonerate Palestinians for their crimes. Perhaps if you'd take off your ideological blinders we could have an unstilted discussion, but quite frankly, you don't strike me as being capable of even-handed treatment of this matter. Your refusal to consider the role of Israeli misdeeds leading to this bloodbath, your insistence that the only peace will come with Israeli victory and nothing else -- these facts lead me to believe that you are so partisan that you are incapable of objective thinking in this matter, and so this reply will be my last to you. You're not teaching me anything except the potential intransigence of men, and I'm old enough to have learnt that lesson already, thanks.
(August 6, 2014 at 7:01 pm)little_monkey Wrote: Whatever rocks your boat.
"Whatever" -- the last refuge of the thoughtless. Here's what I wrote:
Quote:I'd argue that the cultural psychology of both the Japanese and the Germans had as much, if not more, to do with the turnaround those countries saw after World War II.
You'll note the use of the word "cultural", which in essence excludes any ethnic generalizations.
Perhaps you should read more and post less. You certainly need the practice.