should america support Israel?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Wouldn't be the first time that people lay aside longstanding and seemingly intractable differences to instead harass a common enemy (whether real or perceived).

There's a proverb in that part of the world: Me and my brother against my cousin, me and my cousin against the world.

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I know I had said I wouldn't reply to you anymore, but there's certainly some shit needing clarity here:

I'd suggest you search out multiple sources, then. I regularly hear Netanyahu justifying the killing of 1300 Palestinians, many non-combatants, due to rocket-firings which haven't killed one-tenth the number of Israelis. And yes, the fact that Hamas puts their batteries in populated ares is itself an atrocity. That doesn't mean that Israel must resort to wholesale invasion to counteract it. Surely that is one "solution", but I'm sure there are others.

As this is being played out in the American media, Israel cannot afford to alienate the American public, so there is a need to portray that Israel is taking every precaution to minimize suffering. But the reality of putting an end to this war is to maximize suffering. So the Israeli leadership has to walk a fine line. But make no mistake, the crying is coming from the Palestinians, not as you wrongly stated that it comes from the Israelis. The Israelis only wish their hands weren't shackled by the Americans. They would gladly do a lot more damage.

You are apparently unable to grip the idea that both sides are complaining about the brutal nature of the enemy. It's really not that difficult to abandon binary thinking.

It you want to debate this then get yourself informed. The conflict didn't start yesterday, there is a 2000-year history behind. If you can't handle that then stay out of the discussion.

I've done plenty of study on the issue. Perhaps you'd be so kind to point out the exact statements which are in error, and refute them with an unbiased source, rather than, "The Israelis are blameless!"

And you have no biases? Wow. I'm flabergasted.

Not in this matter, no. I think that both sides are to blame for the intractable nature of the conflict. I had figured that you weren't particularly smart, but your inability to read simple Emglish is startling. After all, I have said several times in this conversation that I don't hold the Palestinians blameless, and have referred to thier use of civilians as shields to be an "atrocity".

No, the Palestinians alone are to blame for their self-inflicted misery. No one else.

Tommyrot. Israel treats Palestinians like shit, and then acts aggrieved when they fight back. Ray Charles could see the outcome of subjugating an entire people.

There's no ideological blinders, just the facts. It was the Palestinians that declared war not the other way around, a fact you can easily find by reading your history books.

It was the Arab nations that declared war, as anyone who has read a history book knows; the Palestinians had no government to declare war.

Israel has made many blunders along the way, and there are many outstanding issues to be resolved, but none of that matters as long as the Palestinians continue their needless war.

How do you think the war will end while Israel keeps blundering in its treatment of Palestinian civilians? When you oppress people, they tend to fight back. It's not rocket surgery.

You are harping on trivialities. You are free to make whatever claim, and I'm free to interpret your claim in whatever manner I want to. It's called freedom of expression. So cut out the, "Mommy, I didn't meaning this", "Mommy, he's putting words in my mouth", "Mommy, he's misrepresenting my words". Grow up.

What you call "trivialities" are exactly what is prolonging this conflict: settlements expanding even after a promise to stop, practicing collective punishment, economic blockade, and so forth: if those are trivialities to you, then I don't know what to say.

As for your misrepresenting my position, you certainly have done so. You either did it deliberately, or you were unable to parse plain English. Which is it?


Put shortly, you're either stupid or dishonest. Which is it?