should america support Israel?

[little_monkey]

As this is being played out in the American media, Israel cannot afford to alienate the American public, so there is a need to portray that Israel is taking every precaution to minimize suffering. But the reality of putting an end to this war is to maximize suffering. So the Israeli leadership has to walk a fine line. But make no mistake, the crying is coming from the Palestinians, not as you wrongly stated that it comes from the Israelis. The Israelis only wish their hands weren't shackled by the Americans. They would gladly do a lot more damage.

You are apparently unable to grip the idea that both sides are complaining about the brutal nature of the enemy. It's really not that difficult to abandon binary thinking.

Which part of "war is ugly" don't you understand? Of course both sides would complain about the brutal nature of the enemy. Who wouldn't in a war? But that wasn't my point. My point to you was about the war of images, which Hamas is counting on since Israel has no choice but to bomb the attackers hiding in populated areas, inevitably ensuing large collateral damage. From that perspective, the emotional crying is mainly from Hamas, as this can only tarnish Israel when the media plays contantly images of people being killed, maimed or displaced from their houses turned into rubles. There is no advantage for Israel, but plenty for Hamas. And witnessing the posts on this thread, there are a lot of fools who fall for that propaganda.

No, the Palestinians alone are to blame for their self-inflicted misery. No one else.

Tommyrot. Israel treats Palestinians like shit, and then acts aggrieved when they fight back. Ray Charles could see the outcome of subjugating an entire people.

The history record shows that the Arabs, which includes the Palestinians in case you can't figure that one out, started the war. The misery that this war has brought on falls squarely on the shouders of those who started, which still continues on to this day, namely the Palestinians. But that's too hard for an apologist like you to comprehend.

There's no ideological blinders, just the facts. It was the Palestinians that declared war not the other way around, a fact you can easily find by reading your history books.

It was the Arab nations that declared war, as anyone who has read a history book knows; the Palestinians had no government to declare war.

.. unless you forget to mention that the reason the Palestinians did not have a state, failed to declare their own state at the time because that would have signified the recognition of UN resolution and the state of Israel, which they have openly stated they would never do.

Israel has made many blunders along the way, and there are many outstanding issues to be resolved, but none of that matters as long as the Palestinians continue their needless war.

How do you think the war will end while Israel keeps blundering in its treatment of Palestinian civilians? When you oppress people, they tend to fight back. It's not rocket surgery.

To my estimation, they should bomb until the Palestinians wave the white flag and surrender unconditionally. As it stands, with limited bombings, it's going to be a repetition of 2006, 2008, 2010 and 2012.

You are harping on trivialities. You are free to make whatever claim, and I'm free to interpret your claim in whatever manner I want to. It's called freedom of expression. So cut out the, "Mommy, I didn't meaning this", "Mommy, he's putting words in my mouth", "Mommy, he's misrepresenting my words". Grow up.

What you call "trivialities" are exactly what is prolonging this conflict: settlements expanding even after a promise to stop, practicing collective punishment, economic blockade, and so forth: if those are trivialities to you, then I don't know what to say.

As for your misrepresenting my position, you certainly have done so. You either did it deliberately, or you were unable to parse plain English. Which is it?


Put shortly, you're either stupid or dishonest. Which is it?

No, the trivialities were about you constantly complaining like a 5-year old on how I misinterpret your posts when most of the times I'm correcting you. But you're free to interpret my corrections as a misinterpretation. It's a free country.

As to the issues of "settlements expanding even after a promise to stop, practicing collective punishment, economic blockade, and so forth", again I'm going to ask: which part of "war is ugly" don't you understand? The Palestinians have declared war, have continued their fight to this day, then let them live with the atrocities. Don't come home to mama and complain.