RE: should america support Israel?
August 11, 2014 at 8:20 am
(This post was last modified: August 11, 2014 at 8:22 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
(August 11, 2014 at 6:27 am)little_monkey Wrote: The policy is: bomb until the enemy surrenders. Under that policy, there is a possibility that a million could die. There's a difference between what is a policy and what is a possibility.
Advocating for policy divorced from outcomes is very unlikely to result in a useful policy (cf 2003 Iraqi invasion).
Also, here's what you wrote:
(August 6, 2014 at 3:31 pm)little_monkey Wrote: I will not shred a tear for the Palestinians as they are getting a lot less than what they really deserve. Perhaps when a million of them are killed, those who are left behind will come to their sense and drop their weapons and wave the white flag. In that case only will talk of peace actually happen.
You clearly think that to be acceptable as an outcome.
(August 11, 2014 at 6:27 am)little_monkey Wrote: You're implying that Hamas attacks and Israeli attacks are on par, and there are not: Hamas attacks are part of a declaration of war, Israeli attacks are a response to those attacks and constitute as acts of defense.
Nonsense, whether or not one is the aggressor has no bearing on whether one's actions are moral. By your logic, the Dresden firebombing was moral even though the vast majority of of its victims were civilians. By your logic, Hiroshima was moral, even though its only real purpose was to demonstrate to not only the Japanese but also the Russians our possession of a game-changing weapon.
Was the Russian rape of Eastern Germany in 1944-1945 moral?
(August 11, 2014 at 6:27 am)little_monkey Wrote: For your information, when Israel launches attacks, they warn the Palestinians to give them enough time to evacuate. Hamas response to that is to tell those Palestinians to stay in their houses, and most Palestinians obey, resulting into greater civilian casualties that feeds into Hamas propaganda. So Hamas can very well project its authority.
I know that, thanks. That is why I call Hamas' policy an "atrocity" -- have you not noticed that yet?
(August 11, 2014 at 6:27 am)little_monkey Wrote: That's a lame excuse. During the 72-hr truce, no rockets were fired by Hamas, which again disprove your claim. When that 72-hr truce was over, Hamas pulled out of the talks that Cairo had organized, and declared that since their demands were not met, the rocket attacks would continue, and immediately rockets were launched. Hamas is definitely in control of its terrorists.
Actually, those rocket-firings demonstrate my point here, that the Palestinian Authority cannot control the extremists. What makes you think that in a situation where command and control have broken down, the PA could do a better job?
(August 11, 2014 at 6:27 am)little_monkey Wrote: You never going to have a world without terrorists, just like you're never going to have a world without crime. But the situation in the ME goes beyond that simplification. It's a war between two people, and to understand that, you need to know your history - what happened in 1948, what happened prior to 1948, etc. If you have a superficial knowledge, especially if you just know what's in the headlines of present day events, you will get it wrong.
Which is why I have taken the time to look into the larger historical picture.