(August 19, 2014 at 2:19 pm)revivin Wrote: Since nature couldn't always have existed or start up from nothing
Bullshit. How do you know? Do you know all there is to know about nature?
(August 19, 2014 at 2:19 pm)revivin Wrote: , it needs a cause outside itself, outside of time and space,
Bullshit. Cause is an artifact of time. Outside time, there is no cause. So if the cause is said to be outside time, then it is another way of saying the cause didn't cause it.
So brilliant, you just said nature must be caused by that which did not cause it.
(August 19, 2014 at 2:19 pm)revivin Wrote: being uncreated by the uncreated Creator.
How do you know the cause, which you just said didn't cause anything, is itself us caused?