(August 26, 2014 at 3:05 am)bennyboy Wrote: I not only know of ANNs, I've done some programming with them myself. ANNs are interesting in that they can allow a system to adapt to its environment via "punishment" and "reward," and I think it's very likely that even a simple algorithm will be able to lead to Turing-passing machines, via brute force, in our lifetimes, especially if people on the internet can be drawn into providing feedback "punishment" and "reward." (for example by having a couple hundred million people rate iterations of a computer-generated song)Are there?
However, they say very little about the philosophical reality of subjective minds-- specifically, why there are subjective minds rather than an absence of them.
I couldn't help myself. I have to ask, if you're certain that we'll see brute forced turing-passing machines in our lifetime, how will you overcome the problem of other minds (or do you not see that as a problem)? I think that a machine like that would have a hell of alot to say about "mind". We'd be coming face to face with a system that turns "possible theoretical interpretations" into cold hard reality. A turing passing system would give us no reason to doubt it's "mind" unless we were willing to doubt the minds of others - and possibly even ourselves.
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