RE: On naturalism and consciousness
August 30, 2014 at 9:15 pm
(This post was last modified: August 30, 2014 at 9:19 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 30, 2014 at 8:18 pm)bennyboy Wrote: As an idea about dualism, I like this one. If mind is intrinsically a property of all matter, then you don't have to explain how some physical systems magically have it and some don't.Don't need magic to explain that anyway......
Quote:One possibility I suggested in the last thread about this stuff is that every energetic interchange results in a kind of quantum consciousness-- a tiny little spark of qualia. Then, you are looking at a quantative difference between systems, rather than a mysterious quantitative one. It's easy to imagine that the brain involves many orders of magnitude more interchanges of energy than a rock does, as would an active thinking brain involve more such interchanges than one in a coma.-or a modern computer
And Benny, if you line me up some rocks in a formation that would be able to handle a robust array of logical and mathematical; functions I'd go ahead and give the pile of rocks -something- like what we have, conceptually. Just an fyi. Computational theory does not limit "mind" by its structure, architecture, or composition - it describes it by reference to principals that works regardless of structure, architecture, or composition. NN theorists take it further, not attempting to show that nuerons could be gates, but that anything that produces the effect of a gate (no matter how it does it) qualifies -as a gate-. Perhaps that why you find ANNs so unconvicncing at present? They're skipping the middle steps -precisely in order- to provide a convincing sim? Meanwhile, you and I are really wondering about those middle steps, eh?
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