RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 10, 2014 at 7:24 pm
(This post was last modified: September 10, 2014 at 8:02 pm by Simon Moon.)
(September 10, 2014 at 5:46 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: What I firmly state Brian, is that there cannot possibly be evidence of a physical nature.
If you claim that your god has effects on this universe, then there will be a physical trail from those effects.
Just like cosmic particles leave trails in a cloud chamber. YOu don't see the particle itself, but the effects are testable.
Quote:This is logically demanded by the nature of God as it is defined.
Yeah, define your god to not leave physical evidence for its existence, and lo and behold, it lives up to your definition.
I'm shocked!
Quote:You, on the other hand, demand that I bring evidence. When I ask you how or what, you go silent, and try to ask me to provide what is logically impossible. Your own delusion.
Then don't claim you god effects the workings of this universe, then you don't have to provide evidence for those that doubt his existence.
Quote:I don't believe in God with no reason. Did you notice that word? Reason.
You just have bad reasons.
Quote:The same process every human uses to understand the world. Including you.
For existential claims, our process is to evaluate demonstrable evidence using reasoned argument and valid/sound logic. That doesn't quite sound like the process you use.
Quote:What evidence do I need to believe in God?
Lets turn that question around.
So, what evidence would you accept for the existence of Shiva? Or one of the other gods you don't believe exist?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.