(September 12, 2014 at 2:29 am)Stimbo Wrote: "Seems to imply" is totally your own perception. I'll make it simple.
How do I know that the colour I see as red is the same as the one you see?
The best way would be to measure the wavelength of light of that colour and see if we agree. Regardless of what we think, the light itself will continue to be red.
In your Matrix scenario, if we all inhabit the same reality - however artificial - we should expect measurements of that reality to concur. That it's an artificial reality has no bearing whatsoever on our experience and perception of it and can, in fact, be discarded from consideration; since there would be no way to distinguish its artificial nature from a non-artificial one.
If you now want to switch gears and talk about hallucinations that's fine. However, that wasn't the deal when I entered this so you'd be talking on your own.
I was just making a differentiation between subjective and objective reality and posing the argument that simply because people agree to labels with regard to their observations, it doesn't confirm objective reality, nor that they are actually even experiencing the same thing.
With regard to your color scenario, if you and I agree that the label of the color is "red", this does nothing to confirm that the "red" you see is the same "red" I see. To me, "red" could look like what actually looks like "blue" to you and vise versa. We both would call it by the same label, but experience it differently.
My hallucination/delusion comment was comparable to the Matrix thought experiment. Simply a shared perspective does not imply that what is perceived is actually real. I'm curious why you were interested in discussing the Matrix, but when I mentioned hallucination all of a sudden you wanted to hate me? It was simply another way of explaining the question I was posing to you.
