RE: Atheistic Dogma- Scientific Fundamentalism
September 16, 2014 at 1:02 pm
(This post was last modified: September 16, 2014 at 1:25 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(September 12, 2014 at 12:00 am)sswhateverlove Wrote: All of this I personally deem worthy of considering it a variable.
I suppose it's worthy of wondering whether it's a variable. Without some evidence that it has any effect at all on our genomes, considering it a variable is premature.
(September 12, 2014 at 12:07 am)sswhateverlove Wrote: Thought experiment- We're in the "Matrix". We're doing experiments and forming opinions based on the outcomes. Would our conclusions be considered observations of subjective or objective reality?
If we're in a Matrix, it is objectively real. It is a thing, both to us and the programmer.
(September 12, 2014 at 12:07 am)sswhateverlove Wrote: Is the fact that it supposedly makes up a majority of all that is (96%) not enough to assume that is should be considered a variable?
Only if it can directly affect our genomess.
(September 12, 2014 at 12:07 am)sswhateverlove Wrote: Seems sort of naive.
Seems like the null hypothesis still holds.
(September 12, 2014 at 12:20 am)sswhateverlove Wrote: "Objective reality is how things really are."
So, you think that while in the Matrix we are capable of perceiving things as they "really are"?
Montague defined objective reality as that which does not require our participation for its existence
(September 12, 2014 at 3:15 am)sswhateverlove Wrote: I apologize if you feel I was misrepresenting you. Because I said you seem like you want to hate me for presenting that question? Is that misrepresenting? When I first mentioned it, you responded it's
"making me not want to be nice to you"
and twice you said you would end the conversation if I wanted to discuss in that direction.
There's a bit of a gap between someone not wanting to engage with you because they don't think it's productive, and hating you. Stimbo doesn't even hate the people he bans.
(September 12, 2014 at 3:15 am)sswhateverlove Wrote: Maybe assuming hatred based on you stating you don't want to be nice to me was a stretch, but really was it? It confused me, that's all... Like Whaaa... What did I say?
I can't speak for Stimbo, but my guess would be the hatred thing. I would certainly be offended if you accused me of hating you.
(September 12, 2014 at 11:09 am)sswhateverlove Wrote: I do not agree, however that it's pointless to wonder.
Of course it isn't pointless to wonder. It's pointless to assert, though. Wondering could lead you to an idea of how DM could interact with genomes, and that could lead to an experiment that might falsify or support it. Wondering is fine. Concluding is a bit premature, in principle, the null hypothesis should hold until it is overcome by evidence.
(September 14, 2014 at 8:51 pm)sswhateverlove Wrote: Possibly. Like I said, I recognize my personal experiences (through "spiritual-type practices") have played a part in my pursuits. I'm not going to deny that.
But I don't think that negates what I see. My assumption would be that if life operates in such a way that it is similar to something that (in it's simplest forms) intelligent life (humans) has created here, than "intelligence" (or consciousness, I tend to think of it) could be actively involved with the design and operations of life as we know it.
As far as my statement that I could not describe what the intelligence or consciousness is, that would be just guessing. Perhaps some sort of group/shared consciousness, or I don't know... I can't even say I can speculate because I think it's so beyond current understanding or words to describe. Maybe someday.
Would it be accurate to describe your position as a strong suspicion that we're in a simulated reality?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.