(September 11, 2014 at 11:03 pm)sswhateverlove Wrote: This particular debate was a philosophical one that is hard to refute. Reality being real cannot be proven by the scientific method, we either trust that or we don't. Science tells us sense receptors respond to vibrations and give us an experience. It really doesn't clarify anything about what "is". We have to take it as a given to move on with trying to understand everything else.
The existence of an objective reality seems less expansive than the idea that we are all, coincidentally, suffering from the same illusion. Occam's Razor is useful for a reason. We have tested gravity, and the results don't seem to vary much. Perhaps you may think that the sensation of falling is subjective,, but I'm sure that the crunch at the bottom is very real, and so are you -- when's the last time you jumped off a cliff after proclaiming gravity is not extant?
You, as well as I accept the existence of an objective reality as axiomatic. We may not be able to prove it (remember, proof is in the realm of math and logic, right?) -- but you goddamned well ain't gonna test it, and that in itself convinces me that this is philosophical mumbo-jumbo here.
An objective reality exists, and your own actions testify to your belief in it, even as your posting denies it.
(September 11, 2014 at 11:03 pm)sswhateverlove Wrote: Beyond that, I'm concerned about some of the variables that have been identified by scientists recently that could be interfering with our ability to get an accurate picture of reality. "Dark Matter" and "Dark Energy" variables are of particular concern as it seems the 96% unobservable reality could possibly influence the 4% observable reality in significant ways.
No one is saying that science has solved everything. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the show, kid. As you get older, you'll learn: the more you understand, the less you know. It's not a crisis, either. The world will still turn, sunlight into shade.
So we don't know what dark matter and dark energy actually are? Cool. That leaves something for the kids to do, to impress us old sonsabitches as we sit on the porch reading the news and having a cold one.