Rant against anti-atheist agnostics.

[Esquilax]

Methinks you play obvious games rhythm

Ah sorry fail again. "External". Indeed. It's not though, skipping responsibility in any way possible to be taken personally. The only way that debt could be paid is externally. The choice is salvation or nothing. Hence our puny earthly efforts are meaningless in this context. We have no pennies in this ferry man's currency.

Do you think the reason we find the concept of vicarious sacrifice immoral is that the price could be paid personally and just isn't, and that if you remove the possibility of ever personally paying the debt, it suddenly becomes okay?

Because that's not it. If you can't pay your debt the moral action is not to throw someone else under the bus, even if there's no other option. The fact that you can escape the guilt you have incurred doesn't make that guilt vanish, it just means that you got away with whatever you've done. That's immoral.

That's discounting the esoteric, violent content of the redemption itself, mind.