(September 21, 2014 at 7:09 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Haha nice spin attempt esq.
To get away with that nonsense you'd have to think that humans were capable of perfection. A nice delusion if you can get it, and I'm very happy for you.
So... back in the real world, for anyone wishing to consider it with me, your imperfection is natural. You may be elevated to live guilt free, even with your innate imperfections.
Oh, so this is really a matter of the ludicrous, immoral standard that you've accepted, and has nothing to do with guilt. Because, in the actual real world, "imperfect," is not a synonym for "criminal." You can be imperfect while committing nothing worthy of guilt. If your god demands perfection and considers the possession of flaws to be a crime worthy of any sort of punishment inherently, then the issue here is with the byzantine and unreasonable rules he plays by, and not the moral content of the people he judges.
That's one option, and from the look of things it's what you've chosen, if you're willing to approach imperfection as something worthy of damnation inherently. But if you do, you're still in a situation where you consider humans unworthy of salvation from hell, yet still able to retain it. The actual content of human character is not germane at all, whether they can be perfect or not is merely a dodge; if you think humans are guilty and deserving of punishment, then by definition any method by which they can escape the punishment that you just got through saying they deserve is unjust.
It's pretty simple: person X is guilty of crime Y, and thus deserves to be punished for his actions. Person X can be absolved of crime Y without any cost or punishment to himself via application of sacrifice Z. But within the bounds of christian theology person X is still a guilty sinner, being absolved through an act of mercy; they are being let off the hook in spite of deserving punishment.
At that point, you're stuck: you either believe that person X got away with his crimes, or you believe that the crimes weren't worth being punished over in the first place. Immorality or exaggeration, those are really the only paths available there.
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee
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