Rant against anti-atheist agnostics.

[fr0d0]

You didn't hurt someone else. They carried your load. Their deed was done for you where you accepted it or not. Take the gift and honour them, or spit in their face and carry on suffering. You aren't capable of making reparation, being human. That's a fact. You think you can. I think you're seriously deluded.

Who said it was Rhythm load to carry? If I said you owe me ten thousand dollars for me doing your part on building my fence, do you really owe it?
Of course not, you would both have to agree to do it and get some benefit for yourself, neither apply here, as god is supposedly all powerful and he doesn't need anyone's help carrying a "load" for his own purpose, and Rhythm didn't make a previous agreement.

The whole premise of a omnipotent god needing mankind to do or be anyway is a non-sequitur.

Yes. Like Rhythm, you seem to completely misunderstand. It's rhythms debt just as it is yours and mine. Because we're all flawed humans. It's prideful to think, as Rhythm does, that you can overcome that flawed state. Best you can do is accept your flaws and get on with it.

What Christianity is offering here is not denial of those flaws, or dismissal or irresponsibility, but acknowledgement of the fact and a means to overcome it. Symbolically, the sacrifice is as extreme as it has to be. The debt has to match the deficit. It's pretty much the point of Jesus life, to match that deficit.

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Morally, Aristotle's formulation points at why perfection in the abstract doesn't really make a lot of sense. He would say the best way is always a "golden mean" between an extreme of excess and another of deficiency. So the brave person was somewhere between foolhardy and cowardly. So perfection, if it exists at all, is a tension between traits. To me that suggests that it is always situationally dependent as well.

What we're talking about here is humans trying to reconcile their innate failings. Perfection is unattainable. That's a fact. Dealing with the life draining aspect of that is what Christianity confronts with this central tenet.

Modern society is no better at dealing with this problem that any preceding it. It seems like we're worse at it, with our breakdown of the family, massive scale capitalism etc, but I think we're just the same.

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Different -than you- Frodo, and only with regards to what you have been publicly and vociferously defending.

I actually don't say that it's "something I can pay back". I've accepted -at least for the sake of discussion- that it is not something I can pay back (whatever "it" is). So be it.

What's unresolved? What does my pride have to do with anything, and what is it precisely that you think I'm proud of?

I'm not suffering, let alone nobly so. I don't expect to suffer on this count either. I think that you're full of shit. But if that's how the cosmos is arranged, yeah, I suppose I'm headed for suffering (and I don't imagine that it would be very noble, quite the opposite). And?

I can't accept blood money Frodo. It's just not in me. Similarly, I can't honor the man who holds out the blood money, it's just not in me.

(all of this, of course.....you would find from page 1 onwards, my answers to you are the same as my answers to Chad, and the same as my answers to Micheal. They come from the same place, they derive from the same reasons. If it makes you feel better, you're the best of the bunch thusfar. You'd help me save christ from the ghouls.)

Bull crap. "It's not in you" is your prideful denial. Cut the crap and stop trying to be a hero. I'm not impressed.

It's not some future suffering that your denying. It's this moment, right now. Supposedly psychopaths are insensitive to their failings, but I don't accept that. Maybe they're desensitised. But what's that... denial, delusion.

You don't know what 'it' is huh? How/ why the hell are you discussing it then?!