RE: 3 stages made me believe in Islam: 1-atheism
June 21, 2010 at 8:00 am
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2010 at 8:06 am by Ashendant.)
(June 21, 2010 at 3:51 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: 1-if we saw something that existed forever (which is impossible as we all has beginning and end)There is something that exists forever matter and energy they just change they never stop existing(except when antimatters happens)
2-other case was if we create non existence (which I can't even imagine)
(June 21, 2010 at 3:51 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: And this was really annoying me and I was not able to continue my life without knowing for sure what will happen after that. I was like 70% saying that there is god for the following reasons:You we're trying to justify your meaning, you found it in islam, I found that I don't need a religion to find a meaning, and can conclude with logic and can distinguish between fairy tales and reality.
(June 21, 2010 at 3:51 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: 1-there is a system in everything (if we came by chance nothing will be in a system everything will happen by chance)1-The chaos theory or improbability, just because something is improbable to happen purely by chance doesn't mean it will never will.
2-we never saw anything coming to existence from non existence without someone doing something (I existed and I didn’t create myself so somebody must have created me)
3-why do we have the ability to think and choose better than animals (as that wasn’t essential for our survival)?
4-there are a lot of different species even a human being no one is like the other we are all different in a lot of things (why don’t we find human that look exactly like each other in everything even by chance)
5-how did the life (spirit) come from?
6-there are a lot of things that if changed a little in the natural laws it will end our existence. How these things are so constant (like gravity, water, air …etc)?
7-why doesn't each planet have living creatures with functions that goes with the nature of this planet?
2-True your mother.
3-It was for our survival, we evolved and we're given intelligence by random chance, intelligence proved to be successful in almost all environments even, so we were given a excellent tool to survival and the smart survived.
4-Because it applies a stronger law of improbability, first there is genetics, then there is the mother wombs, then there is how your personality is, and then there's how your culture influences your personality, then there are external factors to growth(nourishment exercise), then there are wounds, then there's a lot of tiny things that change, all this together makes the chances of finding two identical persons very improbable but still not impossible
5-Purely by chance, or Panspermia, spirit soul and mind exists in your brain
6-Because the Law is the LAW, you can't change it because it is how it is, laws define what it is if they were in anyway different the laws would be different but this is not the case.
7-Law of improbability, because to create life you need certain requirements and in our solar system only one planet has those requirements(although there are speculation of life on other planets of our solar system that explains panspermia), and we only be able to observe about 300 planets this is a incredibly tiny ammount and their mostly gas giants, planets that bear life are rare
(June 21, 2010 at 3:51 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: That was some of the reasons according to my knowledge at this time that made me preferring that there is something powerful behind everything and we will never understand by trying to know what was the beginning (I was trying to find other ways that can prove the existence of god) the 30% percent was for the questions I don’t have an answer to (was actually a lot).You where trying to prove that gods exists, however it's easier to prove that god doesn't exist, and there much that we don't understand yes, but it's not by imposing ignorance and speculation as proof(religion enforces this), that we will understand things around us.
(June 21, 2010 at 3:51 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: So the questions I want to know what you think about is:
1-do you think we could in one day understands what non existence is and how we come from none existence to existence?
2-what was before the existence?
3-can we ever understand eternity (and also no beginning)?
4-do you think that there is other ways to prove god existence without trying to ask questions we can't find an answer to (like who created god and what was before this?)
5-do you think that there is a proof that god doesn’t exist? (Percentage of existence or non existence in your opinion with the reasons)?
1-don't know too far into the future
2-how do you know there's a before existence
3-eternal never beginning never ends, the universe might be eternal(god is eternal, universe is eternal, universe is god,


4-No because god can't be proven
5-There is lot of proof that god from the abraic scriptures doesn't exist, that or if he exists he is malevolent and a liar.
(June 21, 2010 at 3:51 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: Then was the point I started searching in different religions (my next thread) as I think human cant make up something with no errors or contradiction even if it contains no error in their time it will have a lot of errors as our knowledge increase and also that if there is god he will surely contact us in any way or tell us why we are here and what we are suppose to doIf god existed and did that there would be no atheists only people in denial, however so far he didn't and he doesn't prove that he exists.
(June 21, 2010 at 3:51 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: NB: I wrote this thread according to my knowledge from 4 years and not according to my knowledge about Islam or any other believe so am not talking as a Muslim am talking as someone who was searching for the reality of our life and I ignored any answers I found when searching in different religions and also this is not the reasons that made me a believer that was just the first stage I passed throughIt's very thoughtful and is not the usual *Religious rambling logical fallacies false viewpoints of circular logic* so i congratulate you
(June 21, 2010 at 7:57 am)Ace Wrote:To simplify the god of gaps, think of it this way, every-time you fill a gap with a Goddidit substitute goddidit with Magic, and then think "does magic exist?"(June 21, 2010 at 6:15 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: plz guys am confirming again that this is not the reasons that made me believe. thats just the first stage i passed through which am interested to know from you wether there was answers for these questions in your opinion and some of these questions i found answers for later but i just want to know how you guys think from an atheist point of view
I'm going to give you a quick answer. You lack knowledge and understanding and so have opted for the god of the gaps argument. You don't know this_____so you fill in the missing information with "goddidit".
It's not knowledge, it's guess work. Saying goddidit is not differant from saying santadidit.
There is no evidence to suggest that some supernatural being was behind it but despite lack of supporting evidence, you still opt for that conclusion.
Just because we don't know something doesn't automaticly mean goddidit.
Saying goddidit only raises more questions.